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everything vs “oh no, that pretty hill!”.

Well it does kill birds. There are other renewable energy sources far preferable over wind energy, considering wind energy is very unreliable. And make that pretty hill into basically every hill. And “oh no that pretty hill” will be ruined for all eternity, including future generations. And while we’re talking about it, how about the special roads that needs to be made to move the windmill blades up in the first place. And the windmill blades will have to be made somehow. Guess what, a lot of tech that goes into windmills are not renewable. People resist wind energy for a reason. Maybe you could just use less electricity instead of destroying every bit of nature left on the earth. Personally I’m in favour of atomic energy

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barsoap@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

Well it does kill birds.

No they don’t, birds neither like the noise or turbulence so they avoid them. Skyscrapers kill birds. This is decades-old and disproven FUD I hope you at least get money for peddling fossil fuel lobby talking points.

And “oh no that pretty hill” will be ruined for all eternity, including future generations.

Oh no! The Hill!

What about the fucking rest of nature and the planet. Is that hill even high enough to still be above water in 100 years. Is it going to get eroded away by massive rainfall.

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- BaardFigur@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  Oh no! The Hill! What about the fucking rest of nature and the planet. Is that hill even high enough to still be above water in 100 years. Is it going to get eroded away by massive rainfall.
  
  Of course a German, from the energy stealing country Germany want Norway to produce even more energy, destroying our nature in the process. Try having every single mountain top, either having windmills, or windmills in the view. We already produce more than enough energy for ourselves. Even more energy can be produced by improving our hydro power stations. But somehow polticians insist on building windmills everywhere, and exporting it all to Germany. I suggest not being overly dependent on energy imports, and actually produce energy yourselves instead of decomissioning all of your nuclear energy plants. Be my guest, destroy all of your nature in the process, if that’s how you want to do it.
  
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  - barsoap@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    We already produce more than enough energy for ourselves.
    
    My state is also producing more than enough for ourselves. Being just as flat as Denmark (and bordering it) we send you tons of that energy to pump into hydrostorage to then export again. It’s practially all windpower.
    
    As to imports: if you don’t want to send us energy we’ll have to stop sending you steel and chemical products. Also Germany is a net exporter of electricity, I don’t like it either much of it is coal. Notable importer: France, with all their nuclear plants they have to shut down in the summer to not turn their rivers into bouillabaisse.
    
    dead birds
    
    Cats and buildings kill many orders of magnitude more birds than wind turbines
    
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    NikkiDimes@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Literally just commenting to say I fucking love that graphic lol
    
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frezik@midwest.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

considering wind energy is very unreliable, only working when it’s windy.

Saying “no” isn’t the solution to this. Solar and wind work together to cover each other’s flaws. The wind is often blowing when the sun isn’t shining, and vis-à-vis.

At the next level, you can use historical weather data to calculate how much things will be in a lull where neither are producing. That gives you an idea of how much storage you need to cover it. The details depend on the region, but this is often much, much less than detractors are letting on.

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fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Coal and nat gas also kill birds. Well basically any system that exhausts huge steam vats into the air just absolutely blast some birds.

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- BaardFigur@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Good thing we’re already fully self sufficient on renewable energy in Norway then. So we don’t even have to actually have to build these windmills. Nature has value too. Nature disappearing is actually a huge problem in Norway.
  
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  - fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Are you totally self sufficient? I thought a lot of the social programs are supported by the sales of natural gas.
    
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    BaardFigur@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    You’re wrong. All the revenue is sent to our sovereign wealth fund, which is mostly just left alone.
    
    Plus stopping our gas exports will just make everything worse, since Germany is addicted to natural gas and lignite coal.
    
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