You are arguing about definition of enshittidication from guy who defined enshittification…
No one is locked into streaming services.
Well, ok, there is alternative.
Comment on Cory Doctorow wants to wipe away enshittification of tech
ExLisper@linux.community 7 months ago
Meanwhile streaming services are jacking up their prices, having locked in their viewers.
That’s the one think I don’t agree with. No one is locked into streaming services. Charging the prices people are willing to pay is not enshittification. Encshittfication will be when they buy all the cable TV, shut it down, start producing only reality shows and show ads every 5 minutes. So far they charge more but Netflix is still making Oscar winning movies.
uis@lemmy.world 7 months ago
ExLisper@linux.community 7 months ago
No, I agree with the definition. What I’m saying is that quality of streaming services is not degrading. The price is going up but that’s not the same thing.
And I already said that you have many alternatives: there’s multiple competing services (who’s competing with YT?), you still can buy disks, you can watch TV, you can go to the cinema, damn, you can even read a book. No one is locked into one source of entertainment.
VoterFrog@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Eh, people have their own tastes in TV. Streaming companies buy exclusive rights to certain content and if that’s where your tastes like, you’re pretty SOL. It’s about as close to “lock-in” as you can get.
Your definition of enshittificantion is also far too strict. It’s just the shift that companies inevitably make from trying to attract new users quickly by providing a great service, to trying to extract maximum profit by degrading the service quality and cramming in as much revenue generation as they can.
ExLisper@linux.community 7 months ago
Everything about it is wrong. They don’t have only certain content, they have everything from Oscar winning movies and indie shows to shit reality shows. They don’t only buy rights, they also produce a lot of content. Liking their content is not ‘lock-in’, you can cancel any day you like and get entertainment on may different platform (including cable TV) or just buy DVDs or whatever. The service is also not degrading in any way. The price goes up, that’s the only problem people have with it. The still make Oscar nominated movies, even this year and they still make popular shows.
Youtube is the exact opposite: there’s nowhere else to go for this type of content, they are pushing more and more ads on everyone and the recommendation algorithm gets more problematic all the time. That’s enshitification. Netflix doesn’t have any of those issues.
VoterFrog@lemmy.world 7 months ago
DVDs (how many people even still own a player?) are not a real alternative to streaming for a number of reasons. Nor is “just watch something else on another platform.” Or, at least, if your claim is that entertainment is interchangeable then you’ve got no real complaint about YouTube. Hell, YouTube has its own ad-free subscription. By your own logic, the ads can’t be enshittificantion because you can just pay more to avoid it!
The enshittification of Netflix goes beyond just charging more. It’s any decision the company makes to make the user experience worse so they can make more money. That’s things like hiding your list and your recently watched shows so they can make you scroll through more recommendations. So then they can autoplay the content they stuck in your way. Content that, like YouTube, is more concerned with what they want to monetize than what you actually want. And it’s restricting the way you used to be able to use the service, like on multiple TVs even within the same house, to get you to wade through a bunch of payment plans.
But my point still stands. Enshittification doesn’t require them to become a monopoly and start producing nothing but reality TV. It just describes the strategy shift that these companies inevitably make from making the platform better to attract more users, to making it worse to extract more money from the user base they’ve built up.
ExLisper@linux.community 7 months ago
Yes, I totally agree with everything you said. YT is enshittifying not because it has ads but because their recommendation algo got really really bad in recent years.
Netflix algo didn’t change. You still have ‘continue watching’ and ‘my list’ on the main page, they added ‘top 10 in your country’ which is nothing like pushing content they want to show you (assuming it’s accurate but I haven’t seen any indications it’s not), the search still returns accurate results, the recommendations are still 100% related to what I’m watching. Netflix never pushed any ‘click-bait’ content at me the way YT does all the time.
If you have different experience with Netflix and you found some changes that make your experience worse than you’re right, it’s enshittyfying. I haven’t seen anything like that and I haven’t seen anyone complaining about anything other than the price.