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TCB13@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

It doesn’t really matter if there are truly open-source and open ecosystems of containerization technologies because in the end people/companies will pick the proprietary / closed option just because “it’s easier to use” or some other specific thing that will be good on the short term and very bad on the long term. This happened with CentOS vs Debian is currently unfolding with Docker vs LXC/RKT/Podman and will happen with Ubuntu vs Debian for all those who moved from CentOS to Ubuntu.

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ericjmorey@programming.dev ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
It cuts both ways. Less commercial interest means only hobby level development (which can be high quality, but is typically slow and unpolished for users).

So you can spend your energy on making up the gap between the ease of use of the commercially supported software or you can have free time for things you’re more interested in and jump ship when they squeeze too hard for cash.

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- azdle@news.idlestate.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  Less commercial interest means only hobby level development
  
  Podman is developed by RedHat: github.com/containers/podman/graphs/contributors
  
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  - ericjmorey@programming.dev ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Podman supports Docker images and makes things easier for users in doing so.
    
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beta_tester@lemmy.ml ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
What’s the issue with podman?

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- nonprofitparrot@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  In my personal experience, it’s just not as fully featured.
  
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  - beta_tester@lemmy.ml ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    What is it missing that all the benefits wouldn’t make up?
    
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    nonprofitparrot@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Lots of docker guides + documentation just don’t work, specifically with podman-compose. The networking options are not fully featured, I ended up having to rig up a bunch of kubernetes services just to be able to use my VPN as a network bridge for my media server stack. I got podman working eventually because I think it’s neat, but it definitely would have been twice as easy to just use docker.
    
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lemmyvore@feddit.nl ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I mean, “it’s easier to use” is a pretty good quality to have. People tend to pick the most user-friendly and time-saving solution, should we really be surprised? On the contrary, I think FOSS should strive to be easier to use.

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- TCB13@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  I mean, “it’s easier to use” is a pretty good quality to have. People tend to pick the most user-friendly and time-saving solution
  
  And they don’t consider anything else and they they get themselves into CentOS situations.
  
  I think FOSS should strive to be easier to use.
  
  Yes so do I.
  
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  - lemmyvore@feddit.nl ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    And they don’t consider anything else and they they get themselves into CentOS situations. Or large monopolies like what Microsoft has over Office.
    
    But so what? The kind of people who do this were not going to be grand contributors to FOSS anyway. They’re just consumers, not makers, and they consume the products that make the most sense to them.
    
    Also, let’s not lay everything solely on consumer stupidity. Microsoft spends a crapton of money lobbying governments, administrations, universities, schools and so on around the world to maintain their monopoly. Corruption at all levels of society is a big factor.
    
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