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You literally made up an argument no one made in this thread.

The fact of the matter is that it is unwise to have both secure and insecure messaging side-by-side. Depending on where you live, this could translate to a simple mistake resulting in imprisonment or worse. It's very important that a "secure messaging app" only allow secure messaging.

You, like myself, probably live in an area where accidentally sending a message critical of the government over an insecure message would not have any tangible consequences, so perhaps you're weighing the convenience as more important due to lack of perspective.

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WhoRoger@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
By that logic tho, you can also accidentally open a different app and send an sms, because on Android all the apps need to look and behave basically exactly the same for some reason.

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- dismalnow@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  I recognize you're probably not the original commenter, but this is the same flavor of strawman.
  
  App is app. Other app is other app.
  
  In one app, it was possible to send both SMS and encrypted messages. In the other, just SMS.
  
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  - WhoRoger@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Strawman, one of those big words people use when they can’t make a decent argument.
    
    Would it be that difficult to have two versions of the app then? One without sms for the more security conscious and easily distracted people, and one with sms, that I could install on any grandma’s phone?
    
    Difficulty of implementation was never an argument, only ideological ones, with which Signal fucked over so many people. Literally all of my Signal constact have gone offline soon after they axed the sms support, and so I have no use for Signal at all.
    
    So, mission accomplished I guess. Secure messaging has won- oh wait, everyone is back on WhatsApp.
    
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    Noki@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    All my friends and familiy are still on signal.
    This is a you problem not a signal problem.
    
    Maybe you should have told your familiy why facebook is bad instead of being “look fancy chat”
    I never needed the sms tool(who writes sms anyways?) what i need is more secure coms that I can use.
    
    One thing that still bothers me is that with the phone number…. I am still waiting for uniq identifiers to uncouple my phone from my messenger!
    
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- dismalnow@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  I don't feel that it's me being intentionally dense here because, again, you've concocted an irrelevant scenario to argue your tenuous position - which I already agreed is possible, but irrelevant in this context.
  
  App is app. Other app is other app.
  
  In one app, it was possible to send both SMS and encrypted messages. In the other, just SMS.
  
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- effingjoe@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  This is not a very thoughtful response.
  
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sarsaparilyptus@discuss.online ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

You literally made up an argument no one made in this thread.

I literally was not confined to this thread, which is blatantly obvious if you know how context works.

The fact of the matter is that it is unwise to have both secure and insecure messaging side-by-side.

Skill issue. If it’s too hard for some people to pay attention to what they’re doing and use a tool correctly, they can buy a Vsmile. This is all ignoring the fact that no human being could possibly fuck it up on Signal unless they’re too illiterate to send text messages—or indeed use a cell phone—in the first place.

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- effingjoe@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  
  I literally was not confined to this thread, which is blatantly obvious if you know how context works.
  
  Making up an argument no one in the discussion has made is called the "Strawman Fallacy". Why should anyone in this thread care that you talked to someone (allegedly) that was so dense that they made a bad argument that you got frustrated with?
  
  If it’s too hard for some people to pay attention to what they’re doing and use a tool correctly
  
  Ah, so much hyperbole. If I'm successfully stripping all of it away, is seems that your argument is that it is impossible (P=0) to accidentally send an SMS message in Signal, thinking it was a secure message. Is that really your stance? Admittedly, there was a lot of hyperbole so I might have missed the actual point. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
  
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  - sarsaparilyptus@discuss.online ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    “muh fallacy”
    
    I didn’t know this was reddit
    
    I might have missed the actual point.
    
    You deliberately missed the point, and seem to think I can’t tell you’re being deliberately obtuse.
    
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    effingjoe@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    A fallacy is just pointing out that your argument isn't likely to arrive at the truth. As I explained, your "I met a dumb person and so all arguments against this are dumb" stance isn't useful, even if we agree you're not just making that all up.
    
    I asked for clarification. Is that your stance? That it's fundamentally impossible that someone could accidentally send a SMS in Signal while thinking it is secured? I'm going to assume that you don't believe it's fundamentally impossible, so that mean your real stance is that if that happens and someone gets sent to jail or worse, that's a small price to pay for your convenience of not having to *checks notes* switch between two apps.
    
    Do you see how your lack of perspective might be leading you to make a poor argument?
    
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