Comment on Substack says it will not remove or demonetize Nazi content
sc_griffith@awful.systems 9 months agosorry what exactly about banning nazis causes one to ban non-offender pedophile support groups. like what is the actual causal link you’re suggesting? if you just mean “I noticed random people endorse this thing I have no opinion on, and also this similar sounding thing I think is bad,” that’s not super compelling
Sanyanov@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I’m saying that banning Nazis comes from public opinion and perception (which is correct to my knowledge), and that banning pedophiles comes from public opinion of just the same people (which is wrong as far as I know). Both groups (third is instances full of bots and spam) are heavily banned on the Fediverse, so it’s not “some people’s opinion” but rather, essentially, a policy for majority of instances.
This is to the point that the organized banning of groups that shouldn’t be banned and hate towards groups that shouldn’t be hated didn’t stop, and without venues for free speech, we may never know that and keep hating and banning those we need to support to make this world a better place.
sc_griffith@awful.systems 9 months ago
by causal link, I mean how does banning nazis cause support groups for non-offending pedophiles to get banned. like how does that actually happen
Sanyanov@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I see.
It’s not banning nazis causing banning non-offending pedophiles, it’s banning people considered dangerous causing both. Fedi is just one example where banning Nazis is not full stop. Other groups are banned too, sometimes without much consideration.
This goes as part of my argument on why we need spaces with completely free speech. We cannot expect instance admins or even platform owners to be completely objective in their estimations of right and wrong, and we can’t trust them to be unaffected by societal stereotypes.
Moreover, even in such an ideal scenario where they are fully objective, their userbase might think differently, forcing admins to take measures against all marginalized groups.
At that point, it seems to me like the only way out of this conundrum is having some platforms allowing everything - platforms, from which positive, but initially rejected ideas can spread.
sc_griffith@awful.systems 9 months ago
nobody but nazis wants to be on those lol. go post on gab or whatever if you want that. it’s free. you can do it. you just don’t actually want to