It’s a straw man argument. Nevermind the dumb comment, the “wait and see” argument is ingenious and insulting.
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takeda@lemmy.world 9 months agoIt is not dumb. Thinking that this time it will be different is dumb:
ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-ne…
When this was happening I was a huge proponent of Google, and Google Talk, recommending everyone I knew to switch to it, because Jabber with the help of Google will remove monopoly from AIM, MSN, YIM etc.
Google fucking killed the network and I contributed to it (maybe not in a significant way, but I still feel very bitter about it)
swayevenly@lemm.ee 9 months ago
takeda@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
FaceDeer@kbin.social 9 months ago
A pithy quote proves nothing. You can come up with duelling aphorisms for almost any issue. For example:
Remembering everything is not the only solution. Perhaps, forgetfulness can make us live in peace too.
– Mwanandeke Kindembo
treadful@lemmy.zip 9 months ago
It’s not a strawman. It’s an actual man that existed and did the thing. It’s history.
swayevenly@lemm.ee 9 months ago
What?
Pxtl@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
How many users did Jabber/XMPP have in 2004?
I think we’ve isolated the problem. Everyone is aware of the risk this time. nobody is going to abandon their Fediverse accounts for Threads.
takeda@lemmy.world 9 months ago
GTalk was easy to install, no need to create an account (most already had Gmail), had incompatible features (like making a voice call), later was integrated into the Gmail web interface, so you could use it anywhere. So many Jabber users did switch to it.
Then somehow “broke” in a way that messages from GTalk were coming through, but anything coming from Jabber wasn’t arriving. Since most Jabber users had Gmail account many switches to continue talking to their peers. Stubborn people, like me, were left with rooster full of people online that none responded to you.
At that time Google was seemed like a white knight, fixing things and making them better.
Facebook today is known for being extremely shitty and destroying any competition, and there are still so many naive people.
Zak@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Google intentionally turned off XMPP federation in its chat product.
I’d attribute it to malice, but looking at how badly Google has repeatedly mismanaged its chat offerings I’m going with Hanlon’s razor here. They did claim spam was an issue as well.
takeda@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I guess I was lucky enough to avoid spam, but I believe you.
As for them doing it unintentionally, I dunno… They did very similar thing to Usenet as well (although in that case spam had a major part.
I think Google’s way of operating is to try new things and see what sticks. Once it gets popular figure out if it can generate revenue and if it doesn’t, quickly shut it down.
calvinbacon@r.nf 9 months ago
False. Google mail was invite only at this time.
takeda@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I said it was added to Gmail later.
Gmail went public on February 7, 2007, the last release of GTalk was May 14, 2013. Anyway by the time GMail went public, everyone and their dog had a Gmail invite.
Alto@kbin.social 9 months ago
Can you share the secrets to somehow even being a 1/4 as optimistic as you are?
calvinbacon@r.nf 9 months ago
More than invite only Google mail had in 2004