Ability to choose with whom to federate with is a core concept of the Fediverse
If you don’t want any defederation, join an instance that doesn’t do it.
Aux@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Defederation is cancer and it will kill Fediverse faster than any Meta.
abbotsbury@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Maalus@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Yeah, and it will end up with huge echochambers full of xenophobes scared of everything and defederating everyone. Defederation is the last step, not the first. Here, paranoia over what might happen years later down a very slippery slope makes people throw away the opportunity to actually grow the platform instead of leaving it with barely any people at all.
abbotsbury@lemmy.world 6 months ago
baby its not xenophobic to defederate, calm down
lemmyingly@lemm.ee 6 months ago
No one said such a thing. Where did you get it from?
lemmyingly@lemm.ee 6 months ago
I don’t get why they want to defederate without any experience of it either. Let’s see what Meta brings to the table. Maybe they’ll shine a light on the Fediverse and we get a more varied group of people on the platform.
ttmrichter@lemmy.world 6 months ago
What Meta has brought to the table in the past. "Maybe we should give them a
secondthirdfourthumpteenth chance!
Aux@lemmy.world 6 months ago
No, that’s not a core concept of Fediverse, that’s exactly the opposite. You want echo chambers? There are plenty of them already. It should be the user who decides what content to see and with which instances to interact, not instance admins.
Imagine Chrome not allowing you to visit specific sites and then Firefox not allowing you to visit a different set of sites. That would be a death of the web.
abbotsbury@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Imagine Chrome not allowing you to visit specific sites and then Firefox not allowing you to visit a different set of sites.
Imagine a worse, less fitting analogy
You can literally spin up your own instance in 20 minutes and see every instance ever if you’d like, it’s a choice and its good to have
Aux@lemmy.world 6 months ago
You can build your variant of Chrome yourself as well. Analogy is fitting.
aldalire@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
On the contrary, defederation is vital to the health of the network. Choosing which instances to not interact with, like far-right groups and hate speech groups, allows users to focus on reasonable content on their home server.
The instance should also be transparent on which instances they defederate with so occasionally the user can venture out into the wild west and see other instances and their points of view.
Aux@lemmy.world 6 months ago
That causes fragmentation of the network, which in turn will kill Fedi over time.
aldalire@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
On the contrary: Advising popular instances to defederate with threads will actually help promote diversity of instances, since the Threads population is orders of magnitude a larger network than Mastodon. Having popular instances defederate with threads will keep lemmy from actually just merging into the threads network.
Aux@lemmy.world 6 months ago
No, as I explained in other comments.
FMEEE@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
Exactly cuz threads will lure a lot of people in the fediverse after the fediverse gets even more accessible and for all means more recognition than we can think about defederating threads.
sour@kbin.social 6 months ago
federate with gab again
chitak166@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I totally agree.
Users should have the power to block instances themselves, not just moderators.
EurekaStockade@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Millions of Facebook users outnumbering previous users 100 to 1 will kill it. Oh, there’ll be more activity than ever, but it will be a sanitised corporate safe space for advertisers, where millions of normies argue about politics, with misinformation and ads sprinkled throughout.
littlecolt@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Okay, and as inevitable as that seems, how about instances wait until that happens, and THEN defederate? The preemptive defederation is disappointing to see. My home instance has done it. I’ll have to wait and see who DOESN’T defederate so I can make an alt account and see for myself what happens.
ttmrichter@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Meta is a known bad actor right up to the point of knowing they were facilitating a genocide and choosing not to do anything about it because “growth”.
“Yes, he’s murdered people before in cold blood, but maybe he won’t this time. There’s no excuse for banning John Wayne Gacy from the party!”
littlecolt@lemm.ee 6 months ago
I’m well aware and deleted my Facebook long long ago.
Dieinahole@kbin.social 6 months ago
So you're saying you Want your experience here to be dominated by ads, lies, and propaganda?
littlecolt@lemm.ee 6 months ago
You’re almost as good at it as them, the way you put words in the mouths of others.
Iapar@feddit.de 6 months ago
How about you wait until you have aids, and THEN use a condom?
nutsack@lemmy.world 6 months ago
wouldn’t Facebook/Threads users be getting the ads?
awwwyissss@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Not all ads are marked as ads
Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 6 months ago
So, companies will create Threads accounts and use them to post ads as regular Threads posts, then? Because that’s what the block button is for.
There’s also nothing that stops any company from doing exactly this in any instance that currently exists, including spinning up their own instance.
If we’re talking ads that Threads will be inserting into the feeds on their site, what does it matter? Either they are a user making a regular post treated like any other user or they are something that Threads can only push on their own site.
Aux@lemmy.world 6 months ago
That’s called growth. Or do you want to keep Lemmy exclusive for marginals?
Scrollone@feddit.it 6 months ago
Federation on Threads will be opt-in, you’ll be able to see posts only from people who actively decided to be available on the Fediverse. So it’s not going to be a 100 to 1 situation.
Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 6 months ago
Posts on threads might be, but they can’t force their standards onto posts or users on other servers. That’s kinda the point of federation.
So, posts from Threads users will have to meet Threads “safe space” rules (because they are Threads users and Threads can require whatever it wants of them), but this means nothing for your posts on any other server. Worst case, Threads blocks you from visibility on Threads.
Threads has no power to push their ads onto any federated server. They can show whatever ads they want on Threads, but those ads don’t appear to anyone else and likewise they couldn’t do anything to artificially make their content show up higher on any other server.