Comment on Epic win: Jury decides Google has illegal monopoly in app store fight
vsh@lemm.ee 9 months agoFollowing this logic all billions of devices coming with preinstalled google products contribute to their monopoly. Billions.
And following this logic’s logic Steam is a monopoly because they have a massive library of games, easy to say they’re the gaming monopoly.
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 9 months ago
That’s not following that logic at all.
Steam is optional, not preinstalled, and Valve does nothing to force its use. Valve doesn’t even do legal (but shady) things like exclusivity deals, like some of their competitors do.
Google, on the other hand, knows OEMs have no choice but to use their software, so they force companies into signing agreements saying no third party app stores, no not including XYZ apps and Google telemetry, etc.
One is an abuse of market position. The other is just a popular product. They are not the same.
In the hypothetical world where Valve creates an OS that replaces Windows, MS exits the PC space leaving SteamOS to take up all of the market, and Valve forces PC makers to only have Steam and no other game stores, and that all revenue should go through Valve, then you’ll have a point. But right now it’s just “Steam is popular” - that’s not an argument, there’s zero coercion going on.
vsh@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Steam is not on stock market, their value is purely estimated and compared with different factors. Unlike google you don’t know “what’s behind the doors” with steam.
But they do dirty practices to keep their position high, which are posted over and over again. 30% cut, psychological marketing tricks to keep you hooked, insider steam market, “analyzing trends” by data mining your PC, whitewashing and downplaying any fuckups, supporting Russians during the war, cleansing Chinese users, pressuring game developers with Steam’s terms and conditions and more. That’s as much as I could think of rn. Go ride Gabe’s dick and lick off all the black cum from under his triple chin.
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 9 months ago
You’re still dodging what I keep asking you. Answer it or we’re done here.
DO YOU HAVE EVIDENCE THAT VALVE FORCES PC MAKERS TO PREINSTALL STEAM AND STOP PREINSTALLATION OF OTHER APP STORES? DO YOU HAVE EVIDENCE OF THEM HAVING SECRET BACK ROOM DEALS WHERE THEY DON’T CHARGE SOME PUBLISHERS THE STEAM FEE?
It’s a couple of simple questions with simple answers. Yes or no.
And “they do advertising of games on their platform!!!” - that’s seriously one of your complaints? Lmao
30% cut is the industry standard. And they use that cut to fund an extremely bandwidth-intensive service, with stuff like voice chat, notes, friend systems, achievements, cloud save, Linux compatibility layers, streaming, etc. It’s substantially cheaper than the monthly payments MS/Sony/Nintendo take (on top of taking a cut for games) for lesser service. Where’s the anti-competitive behaviour?
Steam’s telemetry surveys are opt-in.
Explain “whitewashing”, please.
They don’t pressure with terms and conditions. Like any service if you want to use steam you agree to their rules. You don’t have to use steam. You don’t have a god-given right to publish on steam. Many don’t publish on steam.
Supporting Russia in Ukraine - explain.
Ethnic cleansing of Chinese??? What?? Ate you high?
And again, I’m going to reiterate:
You’re still dodging what I keep asking you. Answer it or we’re done here.
DO YOU HAVE EVIDENCE THAT VALVE FORCES PC MAKERS TO PREINSTALL STEAM AND STOP PREINSTALLATION OF OTHER APP STORES? DO YOU HAVE EVIDENCE OF THEM HAVING SECRET BACK ROOM DEALS WHERE THEY DON’T CHARGE SOME PUBLISHERS THE STEAM FEE?
vsh@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Yes, I have evidence, but I won’t tell you. You shit yourself 💩🫵😂