Comment on Parking isn't as important for restaurants as the owners think it is

• Salvo@aussie.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The fact that people are still trying to drive Dodge RAMs in undercover carparks and down city laneways suggests that failure of design is not the key issue. Fuckwits are the issue.

  Designing city’s that encourage social transit over independent transport is one thing. Legislation to prevent people being selfish fuckwits and driving a “Light” Truck into your office job.

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  • muntedcrocodile@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    As long as its safe why should the government have any say whatsoever over what vehicle u drive?

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    • unionagainstdhmo@aussie.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The argument is that its unsafe to drive a light truck unless absolutely necessary (necessity doesn’t make it safer obviously). The best way to discourage their use would be strict licensing requirements (treat them like medium trucks: 0.0 alcohol) and require they do not enter truck-restricted zones

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      • muntedcrocodile@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        How is it unsafe? Other people feel unsafe? Its not like getting hit by a small car is any leas deadly the relative intertia means the car wins eather way regardless of if its 500kg or 3000kg.

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• grue@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  You dont want to force people away from cars u want to make public transport a better more appealing alternative.

  It depends what you mean by “force.” It isn’t necessary to legislatively outlaw cars or anything like that, but you really do have to at least stop catering to cars if you ever want public transit to be good. More concretely, you have to change the zoning code to stop limiting density and forcing developers to build parking. That accomplishes two things: it allows there to be enough trip origins/destinations within walking distance of stations to make the transit viable, and it limits the available parking to only that which the free market is willing to provide (a lot less than zoning codes typically mandate now) which discourages driving by making it hard to find a place to park.

  That’s not actually “forcing” anything in reality, but a lot of car-brained people will tend to think it is because to people accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.

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• JamesStallion@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Yeah yeah yeah, meanwhile my street is much nicer without cars in it, and the shops are full of locals buying things. How sad that you car folks need to stay in your own neighborhoods instead of giving us all brain damage.

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• Zagorath@aussie.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  You dont want to force people away from cars u want to make public transport a better more appealing alternative

  It really depends on what you mean by “force”. Certainly we don’t want to just ban cars, but in order to make public and active transport appealing, some restrictions on driving are necessary.

  For example, at the moment you can drive from anywhere, to anywhere, via almost any route. This makes even local streets unnecessarily dangerous because people end up driving through unrelated local streets when that ends up being faster than sticking to main roads. Which in itself is making walking and cycling more dangerous, causing more people to drive instead.

  If instead we used modal filters—sections of local streets that you can’t drive through but can walk or ride through—that would definitely make driving seem “worse” because rat running would no longer be possible and access to local streets would be possible only via one route instead of 4 different ones, but it would also make walking and cycling better, too. It would make them safer, and would mean for some trips they can literally take a shorter journey.

  This is just one example of good design. There are a number of other ways things can be designed better that might both help public and active transport users and hinder car use. Ironically, if done well, even all this would actually make driving better, because the number one problem for drivers at the moment is other drivers. And if you design well, you can reduce the number of other drivers, so anyone who continues to drive will have a better experience.

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