Comment on Japan automakers play catch-up in EV race
spongebue@lemmy.world 11 months agoThe higher up-front cost of an EV can be justified when you consider the lower running costs. If gasoline costs more and outpaces any rise in electric costs, the running costs gap is that much wider and the up front costs are easier to overlook
How many people can’t finance that though, they are going to be on a ridiculously high interest loan that will way outstrip the fuel savings.
The second hand market won’t be there for years (you can get a just about works petrol car ridiculously cheap) and who knows what their batteries will be like at that point
Wooki@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Said no one ever who has done the math.
The cost per gallon on a same-same ICE is nowhere near the cost difference. Even over the long term the EV value falls off a cliff as the battery approaches zero so you can’t claim the cost back at the secondhand sale.
For example Korean sedan to Korean EV say Hyundai sonata ($40,000) vs IONIQ6 ($82,000 after gov rebates) is a difference of $42,000 just comparing up front costs. Fuel cost is (250x8.1(L/100)) is $2,025 per year all in AUD and km.
The more these overstaments are made the less credibility is given to the discussion of decarbonising the transport network. We need honest, cards on the table discussions. That’s my math. What’s yours?
darganon@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I paid $37,880 for my Model 3, and got a $7500 tax credit. I do not believe there’s a $30k car that can compete with the base model 3.
Wooki@lemmy.world 11 months ago
In Australia the base is over $70,000 after tax breaks and Government rebates
If you can find an equivalent ICE do the math and post results. I’ve been looking to buy an EV for city commute but it’s just far too expensive and frankly the net result is still burning coal (remote combustion vehicle).
nomecks@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Sounds like you’re the target market for early adoption!
WallEx@feddit.de 11 months ago
Said everyone that I know that bought an EV.
Wooki@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Keep drinking that coolaid cultist
WallEx@feddit.de 11 months ago
I’m willing to have one, I thought we had one, but you are just starting to talk about cults …
PlatinumSf@pawb.social 11 months ago
Are you working out all the prices in Australian fun bucks?.. Because an ioniq 6 is not $82,000 usd for any of the trim levels and after running comparable TCOs vs fuel it will start paying for itself after the 15 year mark (well within the expected useful lifespan of a modern temperature controlled lithium pack (old EVs had significant degrading from temperature fluctuations, but level off at about 10-20% wear now for an expected lifespan of 25-40 years >80% SOC)). Biggest downside is tax, payments, and higher than usual insurance which I’m not including in the TOC Calc because it’s so varied based on location that it’s hard to estimate.
Wooki@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Learn to read.
AUD.
Go visit their website in Australia. 70-90k.
Battery only lasts about 12 years of normal use before needing replacement hence the poor secondhand values. What are you going to run it on, gasoline?
PlatinumSf@pawb.social 11 months ago
Fuck off.
The 12 years you’re referring to is a assuming batteries without thermal management via nrel modeling, the ioniq 6 must face HEAFTY import taxes in your country (which is not the fault of the vehicle), and there are alternatives to running on gasoline like recycling the old cell (already a reality) and replacing it with another.