They make fantastic services that are far more functional than their oss competitors and it’s far far less effort than hosting and dealing with that bullshit.
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tsonfeir@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Everything Google does is evil. How are people still using anything they make—or control the repo for (chromium, android)
LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 11 months ago
tsonfeir@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Cannot disagree more. I’ve found Google services to be terrible in comparison to their competitors. Don’t get me started on privacy. Ironically, you’re saying they’re better in the same article that says they’re removing adblockers. Which is clearly not better.
LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Most folks disagree. You are in the minority.
tsonfeir@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I doubt most folks disagree, but on that note: everything the majority agrees on is factual and the correct method—right?
slipperydippery@lemmy.world 11 months ago
That seems slightly hyperbolic
tsonfeir@lemm.ee 11 months ago
How so?
pete_the_cat@lemmy.world 11 months ago
It didn’t start that way, it wasn’t until they had dominance in multiple areas that they started fucking their customers, but the difference here is that it’s stupid easy to change to Firefox, Safari, or gasp Edge.
wazzupdog@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Edge is chromium. And safari is still apple only. So you’re last sentence is wrong, but it is indeed super easy to switch to Firefox, or another non-chromium based browser.
lemann@lemmy.one 11 months ago
And safari is still apple only
Gnome Web (Epiphany Browser)
wazzupdog@lemmy.world 11 months ago
If you are into WebKit (is a port, I’m aware), that browser looks worth giving a shot, what features do you like about it?
pete_the_cat@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Chromium isn’t as bad as Chrome, Google actively tries to get you to use Chrome by blocking some features in Chromium (like account syncing).
wazzupdog@lemmy.world 11 months ago
That’s like equating evil and evil, both are still Google, both are gonna have mv2 removed (eventually) making web filtering a nightmare. I have an kinds of add-ons that prohibit any scripts from running on a website without my explicit authorization. Mv3 will break that level of security. Chromium=chrome both owned and maintained by Google.
tsonfeir@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Money corrupts everything
wanderingmagus@lemmy.world 11 months ago
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School/university online classes and messaging/collaboration
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Business enterprise messaging/collaboration locked to Google services
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Business enterprise sites locked to Chromium based browsers
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Government sites locked to Chromium based browsers
tsonfeir@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Nothing is locked forever.
bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
Remember when government websites only worked on IE6, well into the late 2000s? I even remember Hillary Clinton proposing that government employees only be allowed to use Internet Explorer when she was a senator.
tsonfeir@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Anyone advocating for IE in the early 2000s was because the web sucked back then and IE could run ActiveX. Granted, thinking back, giving a web app direct hardware access did lead to a lot of security issues. However, and theoretically, if the software is clean (like internal government software should be), it was pretty powerful.
Additionally, I challenge your Clinton remark, and ask you provide a source.
As of my last update in April 2023, there was no record or credible report of Hillary Clinton, the former U.S. Secretary of State and 2016 Democratic presidential candidate, advocating for Internet Explorer to be the only web browser used in government settings. Hillary Clinton’s tenure in government, both as a Senator and as Secretary of State, did involve discussions and decisions about technology use in government. However, these discussions were typically centered around issues of security, information management, and diplomatic communication rather than endorsing specific software products like web browsers. In the public domain, there was no evidence to suggest that she made any statements or policy decisions specifically favoring Internet Explorer over other web browsers for government use.
wanderingmagus@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Not forever - maybe - but until then, government employees trying to log onto government services like iFTDTL or NSIPS or half a dozen other sites, as well as students logging into their university email or corporate employees logging into enterprise networks are stuck on Google apps or Google-adjacent like Edge.
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ultra@feddit.ro 11 months ago
At least Android actually gives you freedom. What other alternatives (that actually work) are there? I’d rather have a phone with an OS made by an evil corp that I can actually control, than an OS that doesn’t even let me install apps not approved by the manufacturer.
Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
Using a degoogled LineageOS was great. It’s just that the world around it has changed so much that doing certain things wasn’t really viable any more. Having a phone like that in 2010 would have been awesome, but nowadays it’s really inconvenient. Nowadays, there are some highly unfortunate software needs that don’t quite fit with this philosophy any more.
I didn’t come up with the idea that my bank requires an app, and that the app absolutely requires an OEM phone with a normal Android and GAPPS. They started requiring that nonsense, which put me in a tight spot. Do I decide to live without money or will I switch to an inferior OS.
There are also some nice to have apps that came up with similar stupid decisions. Living without them means living in the past, and I would be ok with that too. Getting a minor inconvenience in return of having more privacy is ok with me. Suffering significant inconveniences is not OK. I had to draw the line somewhere, which unfortunately meant switching away from LineageOS.
ultra@feddit.ro 11 months ago
I use a phone with LOS and I haven’t had any problems with it. Though I am 13, so I don’t have to worry about stuff like banks apps yet.
Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
LOS is good for a lot of things, so keep on using it until you run into a brick wall like I did. Hopefully, someone has already figured out a solution by then or maybe you can just choose to use a different app instead.
akafester@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Well… for now at least. Who’s to say that won’t be the next thing on their list. They do make a pretty penny on the play store as is, and could improve that if they banned side-loading. And let’s be honest, side-loading is probably a niche thing still.
fatalError@lemmy.sdf.org 11 months ago
Niche for common people, but very much used by privacy concerned tech ppl. F-droid is a thing and so is obtainium, 2 play store alternatives that are side-loaded and give access to FOSS apps.
andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Some manufacturers limit rooting, promote their appstores, recomend to redownload a freshly installed app but now from them, have their ‘antivirus’ and ‘cache’ scanners, randomly unload background apps they think are less valuable from RAM and revoke their permissions while their own apps require additional permissions and accounts even though they just switch wallpapers or play videos. If we look at that, Google have much to implement and still have side-loading availiable, just very disencouraged.
tsonfeir@lemm.ee 11 months ago
And when they allow “sideloading” in the next version, what will your argument be?
ultra@feddit.ro 11 months ago
Who knows, I might switch.