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Comment on YSK about the different “ways of knowing”

richieadler@lemmy.myserv.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

Really? Leaving people to believe stupid, damaging, dangerous things just because you don’t want to make a scene or don’t want even the least hint of rudeness (probably because you learned that extreme politeness, even at your own expense, is a value) seems a lot less empathetic to me.

But you do you and follow “your own truth”.

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DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
I think you’ve missed the core point of this whole thread.

You’re also conflating empathy with acquiescence.

Separate knowing is understanding someone’s position logically or factually. Connected knowing requires an understanding of the context.

You can’t reason someone out of an unreasonable position.

Hitting a flat earther with logic and facts will obviously be counter productive. Even a modicum of empathy and curiosity as to why someone thinks the way they do will serve you well.

Conversations are about much more than who is wrong and who is right.

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- richieadler@lemmy.myserv.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  
  You can’t reason someone out of an unreasonable position.
  
  Hitting a flat earther with logic and facts will obviously be counter productive. Even a modicum of empathy and curiosity as to why someone thinks the way they do will serve you well.
  
  But in that case, the battle is already lost. I cannot engage with the person in a manipulative emotional way to use their emotions to shock them out of their mistaken positions. Any further communication regarding the matter is useless. And glossing over some topics is being an accomplice, but apparently that’s the only viable response.
  
  Conversations are about much more than who is wrong and who is right.
  
  Departing with people espousing damaging views for society, given that as you say reason is not a tool that works, is pointless.
  
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  - DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    It’s only pointless if your sole objective is to demonstrate to everyone how right you are about everything.
    
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    richieadler@lemmy.myserv.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Or if you don’t want to be a silent accomplice of certain evils in society.
    
    Would you have nice chats with a mass murderer about art?
    
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- ttmrichter@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  
  You’re also conflating empathy with acquiescence.
  
  Indeed. This is because he lacks actual empathy so doesn’t actually comprehend the very concept.
  
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ttmrichter@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Yes. That’s exactly what everybody here is saying.

I resubmit: you lack all capacity to comprehend any viewpoint other than yours and will only damage anything you believe in as a result.

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