Comment on Our children are victims of road violence. We need to talk about the deadly norms of car use

• unionagainstdhmo@aussie.zone ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I had a scroll through their history and couldn’t really find any evidence of trolling - but I might not have gone back far enough. Have you got any examples of them trolling you could point us at?

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  • abhibeckert@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yeah they’re being ridiculous. For the record, I generally only drive a car when I have my kid with me. And even then, if I can take the bicycle I will (my kid and I spent an hour travelling by bicycle today).

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    • unionagainstdhmo@aussie.zone ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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      • Zagorath@aussie.zone ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Don’t be sorry. They’re a troll trying to play to your sympathies.

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  • Zagorath@aussie.zone ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    So, it turns out it’s from a different user account, but with the same username, on a different instance. I would be shocked if it’s not the same human being behind it.

    But here’s one thread where they’ve done it before. They deliberately insert themselves into conversations choosing to throw ridiculous straw men around in an attempt to pretend that car-brain is normal and good urban planning practices are absurd. Troll tactics, through and through.

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    • unionagainstdhmo@aussie.zone ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Thanks for following that up, I agree it would be very surprising if they are not the same person. And in the other thread it did appear they were trolling, bringing up the “there’s bigger problems” Bob Katter style argument.

      On another note, I’ve got no idea what being car-brained is bit I assume its an insult, so please refrain from such language since insulted people don’t argue well.

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      • Zagorath@aussie.zone ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        The Wiktionary definition isn’t bad.

        First and foremost, car-brain refers to the individual expression of a sociological problem more formally known as “motornormativity”. It’s the state of being unable to envision a world different from the one we currently live in, where everything gets designed around cars to the exclusion of more efficient forms of transport like public transportation and cycling. It’s an opposition to the idea of walkability in practice, if not necessarily in theory (someone might say they like walkability, but then oppose specific measures which would increase walkability, like zoning changes, increasing footpath width by decreasing road width, decreasing speed limits, and adding modal filters).

        It’s also the tendency to blame “pERsoNaL rESPoNsibiLiTy” for traffic crashes, and disregard systemic issues that lead to increased chances of crashes occurring. But also to excuse the personal behaviours that cause the crash to happen in other circumstances, while being overly critical of non-drivers exhibiting the same behaviours. Any time you see someone say “cyclists ignore stop signs and run red lights!” That’s motornormativity, and the individual saying it is deeply car-brained. Especially if they do it in a context of talking about better cycling infrastructure or pro-cycling laws, as a way to imply “no, we shouldn’t make things better for cycling”. Not only do studies suggest cyclists break the law at roughly the same rate as drivers (yet you never see these people complain about all the drivers who do it and suggesting that therefore we should make driving harder), we also know that when cyclists break the law, they’re far less likely to endanger others than drivers are; indeed, cyclists who break the law frequently do it to increase their own safety, while drivers break the law to increase their own convenience.

        That’s only a small slice of how motornormativity presents in our society, but hopefully it’s a good enough primer. Here’s a pretty good article on the subject.

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