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steltek@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

Does this mean brew install nvidia-drivers works for you?

“Posix compliant”? I’m not sure you fully understand the gap here. Linux has containers, performant and feature rich virtualization, robust networking, user friendly GNU utils, case sensitive filesystems, etc. It’s not stuff you can duct tape on by recompiling Linux tools and be all set. You’re trying to keep up with a Ferrari using a Fiat.

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whofearsthenight@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Apple hasn’t shipped with an Nvidia GPU in like a decade, and has only shipped a machine that can add a third party GPU twice in as long, so I am going to guess no? I’m not sure what the point of this comment even is? If I can find a package you can’t install on linux do I win the argument? And of all things in the world you want to count as a win for Linux, you’re going with Nvidia drivers? Lol.

Most of the rest that you’re describing are also mostly optional packages on most Linux distros/macOS or things you’re just getting wrong. Case-sensitive filesystems on macOS are an option. You don’t think macOS has containers, virtualization, robust networking or can’t use GNU utils? You don’t know what posix compliance is, and you’re trying to convince me that GNU utils, many/most of which likely existed before Linux somehow can’t be “duct-taped” on.

I’m not sure you fully understand the gap here.

It’s entirely clear you don’t understand the gap. Linux is a kernel. All of the things you’re describing are packages or pieces of software that are going to differ from distro to distro. Most of coreutils ship in macOS out of the box. All of the things you count as wins are easily added on macOS.

like, you can just say “I don’t like macOS.” This set of comments read like “Well all of Linux is garbage because Mint doesn’t ship with Solitaire, a game and program invented by Microsoft.”

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virtualbriefcase@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
As much as I love making fun of Apple, isn’t it all Apple silicone made in house? If they’re not coming with Nvidia cards and Apple is not open to the idea of people modifying their computers it shouldn’t matter.

POSIX is just a set of Unix-like standards for software. Mac is based on BSD if I recall correctly, they had Xorg and stuff as an option to install and things aren’t 1 to 1 compatible but closely related.

robust networking Dude you just gave me flashbacks to traumatic times trying to get networking to work

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- steltek@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  The Nvidia thing was subtle way to point out that you can’t “brew install” your way out of every bit of missing OS functionality.
  
  “Posix” is such a trivial set of APIs that until recently Windows claimed to be Posix compatible (and basically still is???). Darwin, the MacOS kernel, lacks pretty much everything above that slim foundation. No user or network namespaces. No capabilities. No ACLs. Even if you switch to GNU coreutils (ls, ps, netstat, etc), you get a reduced featureset because Darwin lacks /proc, /sys, ioctls, and other knobs&levers to make stuff work the way it does on Linux. Xorg works because X11 was common across all Unixen back then. And on the built in BSD utils, stuff gets weird like ls ~/Downloads -l doesn’t work and case insensitivity leads to weird bugs in things like shell wildcards (like ls ~/downlo*/*).
  
  The Linux network stack is complicated because it can do absolutely everything, at insane speeds and scales. MacOS’ network features are geared towards being a laptop and not much else. I won’t defend Linux as user friendly but it’s been my daily desktop for 25 years, I guess I’ve figured it out. I use and appreciate stuff like VLANs, bridging, nftables, ebtables, etc. If you need to change behavior, there’s probably a /proc/net flag that will do it. It’s stuff that MacOS hides or simply doesn’t have.
  
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