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While that works with ‘facts’, it doesn’t work for opinions. A sense of morality is exactly an opinion or set of opinions that define what is and isn’t right. It is exactly mired in perspective and again this is very self evident.

Muslims say that music is Haram because it is said so in Hadith, does that make music objectively wrong? They believe when a religious authority states this is true, that the religious authority has made a canonical judgement ( fatwa ) that is basically binding.

Am I a heathen for liking music then?

I can’t believe people are so naive as to think objective standards for morality are even remotely possible.

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mindrover@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

Muslims say that music is Haram because it is said so in Hadith, does that make music objectively wrong?

That is the exact opposite of what the above comment said. An objective view of morality would say that the “rightness” or “wrongness” of the act of making music is an objective truth. If music is “right”, then music is right, regardless of what Muslims or any other people say, and vice versa.

It means you can’t come to a correct moral judgement just by taking a poll of the people around you.

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- BellaDonna@mujico.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  That’s literally exactly how all humans work. Our ideas is morality come from our peers, and culture. That’s all relative and very mutable.
  
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  - _Mantissa@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    They sure do, we try very hard to get as close as we can to what an objectivist would consider ‘true’. But nothing in objectivism states that we will ever know what the objective moral truth is. How many stars are there within 100 million light years outside of the observable universe right now? We don’t know. We can’t know. But there still is a correct answer even though we don’t know it. Just as an astronomer might average the count of stars in a similarly sized region and make an estimate of the correct answer, humans will share ideas of morality and endlessly critique them in hopes of getting a closer approximation of what “moral truth” might be.
    
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    BellaDonna@mujico.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    The universe doesn’t exist in human terms though. Stars don’t care about genocide, or abortion. Black holes don’t care about gender or identity issues. I’m certain the universe does not exist on human terms, and human morality is only an idea that has meaning to other humans.
    
    I don’t believe there is a single valid, unassailable concept that can prop up the idea that objective morality is likely, or even possible.
    
    Would morality exist once the last human dies? Did morality exist before? It’s just a useless question.
    
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