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You’re the kind of person that will go so far out of the way to reduce someone to nothing that it’s like you want to disintegrate people with the promised “totally 100% the exact same person, promise” copy just being an afterthought to justify the reductionism for its own performative sake.

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LtLiana@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
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- UlyssesT@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  
  and I find that philosophy to be far more comforting
  
  I don’t judge philosophies based on how comfortable to the mind they are
  
  what-the-hell
  
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  - LtLiana@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
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    UlyssesT@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    I am a materialist. I am not a vulgar materialist, which is a subtype of the concept, written about in academia and discussed by leftists of note, that you apparently adopted without knowing the difference.
    
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- UlyssesT@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  
  It is you who is trying to construct the idea that a hypothetical transporter clone is not the real person they were cloned from
  
  I didn’t actually make that claim, especially because the matter-to-energy-and-back-to-matter stream supposedly in the lore uses the same material and there’s even an intermission “zone” featured in some episodes showing a continuity during the transition, including conversations taking place. It’s practically science magic at that point, especially after James Doohan famously answered the question of how the Heisenburg Compensator works with “it works very well, thank you very much!” but I just let it be its own thing as fiction.
  
  On the other hand, the OP’s comic and the typical thought experiment requires utter and complete fungible matter destruction in one place and construction in another place with no continuity asked for or even tried, instead waving it off entirely with something like “perfect copy is literally the exact same person, individual consciously lived experience don’t real. Because original was destroyed, not like you can ask them.”
  
  It is funny
  
  I don’t respond well to Reddit talk so that’s as far as I will answer you: the part above that.
  
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  - LtLiana@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
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    UlyssesT@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    
    The original person, the real person, was killed
    
    What you are continuing to outright dodge, ignoring my original argument for the sake of apparent convenience, is that the moment the thought experiment doesn’t kill the original person, it becomes absurd to tell that not-killed person that they are totally over there now while still standing there, not disintegrated. There are now two people that have the same root of matter composition and experiments, but the moment it is allowed that the perfect copy can be made without the original being destroyed in the thought experiment, your claims seem much more like magical thinking than what you claim I am doing.
    
    and being as edgy and uncomfortable as possible
    
    projection
    
    We were literally just talking about the philosophy of hypotheticals in Star Trek
    
    I was part of that discussion and no one else took issue until you did, here or on any other discussion I had here.
    
    Go ahead, post your dumb-ass smug Redditor response to this
    
    No. I want to ask you to stop replying to me if all you’re going to do is make more personal attacks, however.
    
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