Comment on Federal judge again strikes down California law banning gun magazines of more than 10 rounds
dartanjinn@lemm.ee 11 months agoLaws are not protections. They give government license to punish you.
Saying guns should be registered, then some people shouldn’t own guns, then felons shouldn’t own guns - you keep shifting your narrative to dodge the arguments. Pick one.
The actual text of the amendment is not an interpretation - that’s literally what it says, word for word.
They’re only preventable in the manner they happened which is past tense. You can’t say they wouldn’t have happened otherwise. Again, your opinion is wrong. You favor sacrificing liberty for a little bit of perceived safety. It seems you haven’t spent much time looking into the past other than some people died a couple years ago. Genocide has followed confiscation enough times in history that neither I nor anyone else should vote for any form of gun control because it’s nothing more than an easily digestible double speak that ultimately breaks down to mean confiscation. If you want to vote your liberties away, that’s on you. Stop encouraging people to jump off that bridge with you.
PizzaMan@lemmy.world 11 months ago
None of those are mutually exclusive, so I’m not sure what you mean by “shifting narrative”.
You are implying a specific interpretation.
Sure I can. The evidence shows that the number of people dead would decrease with better protections, because simply having a gun around increases the chance that somebody dies.
No, it’s backed by evidence.
It’s not perceived. There is evidence backing my position.
No, it’s EVERY year, roughly ~50,000 per year.
If that’s true, where is the genocide happening in the EU, australia, Japan, etc? Basically every western nation has gun control, yet no genocide.
It objectively isn’t a bridge.
dartanjinn@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Shifting your narrative into different wording to sidestep the point. You know exactly what I mean. I can tell you’re an intelligent person, don’t act dumb.
I’m implying no interpretation. The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed - it’s right there in plain text. It doesn’t get any more straightforward than that.
I wasn’t saying what you clearly cited was opinion. Why is that one even here?
It is perceived safety. If the wolf in your grandmother’s clothing invites you in the house, the safety is perceived, it’s not truly safe.
As for history, shall we start with Germany? Say, somewhere around 1929? We could do Cambodia circa 1975… We could do China maybe 1935 or so? Tiananmen Square comes to kind but I’m not sure what part confiscation played there so just bringing it up cause, well, frankly, they couldn’t fight back. Wanna do Bosnia 1992? There’s always Afghanistan…now.
You argue that it doesn’t always happen but I argue that it does happen period. I’ll take my chances. I hear Ukraine could use a few guns. Sure would have been useful to have them before the big R came knocking buildings over and killing civilians in the streets.
PizzaMan@lemmy.world 11 months ago
You’ve identified three policies that are not mutually exclusive. I don’t know what else to tell you.
I’m well aware of the the wording. You’re aware I’m aware of the wording, yet you quoted it for support, thus implying that your interpretation is correct.
It is not perceived, the evidence shows that I am correct.
If personal gun ownership is a solution against tyranny, and gun control is tyranny, then Germans wouldn’t have been disarmed.
But they were, so one or both of those things are wrong. I’ll give you a hint, it’s neither. I’m not going to address the rest, because it’s more of the same.
I asked you this:
And you’ve given no answer. Because gun control is not a form of genocide, or a cause of genocide.
This is stupid for multiple reasons. First, Ukrainian citizens do have the right to own guns in the form of rifles and shotguns, and they do excerize that right. Second, it hasn’t done shit for them. Ukrainians were still slaughtered in the villages and dumped in mass graves or left out on the streets despite owning these guns. A civilian with a gun is incapable of resisting a platoon, even one aa terrible as Russia’s. A civilian with a gun is incapable of fending off a tank, jet, or missile attack, all of which have been the biggest threats. The whole war started with missile barrages, and no amount of civilian arms could stop that.
They had guns and Russia still came knocking buildings over.
dartanjinn@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Fair point on Russia. I was under the impression we were sending rifles to Ukraine because they didn’t have any. I can admit when I was wrong. However, I will say a million guns in a nation with a population of 43M isn’t saying much for their defense strategy. Now moving on cause I’m embarrassed…
I identified three different policies that you brought into the conversation as just that, different policies that you’re using to satisfy a point because it helps your argument rather than say “I guess it’s not exactly true.”
Reciting the direct wording is not interpretation - it’s stating the wording as written. What is there to interpret about “shall not be infringed?” It’s as plain as it could possibly be.
Safety is not guaranteed, whether guns exist or not, therefore, it is perceived no matter what angle from which it’s viewed.
I don’t think I get your point on Germany - a state which seems to oppress it’s citizens would not disarm those it seems to oppress? If that’s your point it’s silly and I think you know that but I still don’t think that’s what you were trying to say.
Of course it’s more of the same, lol that was the point.
The genocide answer is that just because it hasn’t happened in those places (yet) doesn’t mean it can’t or won’t happen. It’s like saying “people in Nigeria need food” then responding “No they don’t, Brazil has plenty of food.”
Ukraine was a dumb argument. Can we move on? Lol