Comment on Why cyclists should NOT get the same fines as motorists | Car Culture 6 - Motonormativity
Marin_Rider@aussie.zone 11 months ago
i dont fully agree with the points made, but i do think there are edge cases where rules that apply to cars dont make sense for cyclists, probably the main one that comes to mind is Stop signs and coming to a complete stop. I dont think that is a rule that makes sense for bikes (and can be less safe in some cases) but where rules apply, i dont see why fines should be any different
Zagorath@aussie.zone 11 months ago
Very simple. A driver going 10 km/h over the speed limit has a far higher chance of causing far more damage than a cyclist does.
Marin_Rider@aussie.zone 11 months ago
sure, but then we have to do everything by weight class (like that chart i think it was you that posted?) be the same for motorbikes, trucks etc.
Also need to consider its not just about the potential direct damage that can be caused, a cyclist breaking certain rules could endanger other drivers indirectly such as blowing through a stop sign causing breaking which could lead to an accident caused by a vehicle etc. I say all these things as a cyclist by the way (username checks out?)
Zagorath@aussie.zone 11 months ago
Not me. Someone else posted that.
But I mean, would that be the worst thing? We already do rego based on weight class, up from bikes which don’t require rego to heavy trucks which pay the most.
But anyway, no, we wouldn’t have to do it that way. Up until the Newman Government instituted the changes, we had a fairly sensible policy (something that could, frankly, be said about a lot of Newman’s policies). Most of the world still has sensible laws in this regard.
fyi literally any expert will tell you that stop signs being treated as give way signs is far better for safety than actually trying to enforce stop sign laws for cyclists. It’s called the “Idaho stop”.
Anyway, all this “could” is all well and good, but our policies should be based in evidence. There’s no evidence to suggest that it’s either necessary or helpful.
Marin_Rider@aussie.zone 11 months ago
fair point, cant fault that argument actually
I agree on the stop sign comment by the way, I touched on that in my initial comment although in this one ‘blew through’ i implied a little more than an Idaho stop :) just first thing that came to mind but im sure there are other examples, or take a red light or something.