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Comment on Lemmy instances that are focused on mirroring Reddit content?

Spzi@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

The real point here is that this tool is as spammy as the admin of mirror instances.

I agree that technically the person using the bots is to blame, while I only ever see the bots, and never a person behind them. I don’t see what that changes about their behaviour though. You clarified the bots are not acting autonomously, a human decides how much they spam. I still have a problem with too much spam.

Let me repeat: you will not see a flood of posts from bots coming from alien.top or any “fediverser” instance.

How can you be so sure? We have precedent of bots making 800k posts per month. Apparently, bot admins exist who use these tools indiscriminately. Numbers go up, I guess.

What measures do you as the creator take to prevent abuse? How can you prevent abuse, once another person gets their hands on it?

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rglullis@communick.news ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

What measures do you as the creator take to prevent abuse? How can you prevent abuse, once another person gets their hands on it?

It’s free software, I am not going to pretend that I have any power to prevent abuse from motivated actors or if someone tries to weaponize it. But there are deterrents, mainly (a) the fact that accessing Reddit’s API has a cost for those trying to do high-volume of requests and (b) all the bots are in the same instance which makes it very easy to be defederated.

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- Spzi@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  It’s free software, I am not going to pretend that I have any power to prevent abuse from motivated actors or if someone tries to weaponize it.
  
  Ok, so your previous assurances were completely unfounded. Maybe even worse, your reluctance to see how your tool could be misused gives little hope you would take steps to prevent that.
  
  all the bots are in the same instance which makes it very easy to be defederated.
  
  It’s still an action thousands of people need to take just to undo the harm of one bot, or one instance. And some will not know how to, and leave Lemmy instead, which is exactly the opposite from your intent. Please run these bots in instances which are not federating their content to the fediverse. Make the newsletter opt-in. Don’t force people to opt-out. Even more so since for each user who might enjoy that service, many more will suffer from it.
  
  Also, since you just clarified it’s free software and you have no power to prevent abuse, “all the bots are in the same instance” is nothing but a hope. From my point of view, it does not matter so much anyways. More spam bots / spam instances are added to the network, which is bad.
  
  But there are deterrents, mainly (a) the fact that accessing Reddit’s API has a cost for those trying to do high-volume of requests
  
  Since we already have a solid problem with spam bots, this does not seem to deter effectively. It’s strange but apparently it’s what people do with these bots.
  
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  - rglullis@communick.news ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    It’s still an action thousands of people need to take just to undo the harm of one bot,
    
    No, it’s an action that an instance admin can take quite easily.
    
    Please run these bots in instances which are not federating their content to the fediverse.
    
    No. That completely destroys the intent of having a tool that is meant to bootstrap communities.
    
    More spam bots / spam instances are added to the network, which is bad.
    
    You and I seem to have very different ideas of what is “spam”. We have bots like @L4s@lemmy.world that take RSS feeds from tech sites and post them to relevant communities and they seem to be well received. The posts are interesting get upvoted, the ones that are not get downvoted. Do you think that these bots should be considered “spammers”?
    
    Let’s leave at this: if you ever see any flood of content coming from alien.top, then I’ll have no qualms in revising the policies and making adjustments to the system. But for now your arguments are inching closer and closer to concern trolling.
    
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    Spzi@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I also don’t want to argue just for the argument, and noted we have very different perspectives without getting much closer.
    
    Let’s leave at this: if you ever see any flood of content coming from alien.top, then I’ll have no qualms in revising the policies and making adjustments to the system.
    
    Yes, thank you! Although I wonder what that might help, since you stated it’s free software and you cannot control how it’s being used.
    
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