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PizzaMan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

People are not dying “over” this.

~50,000 people died in 2021 alone.

pewresearch.org/…/what-the-data-says-about-gun-de…

You only want to say people are dying over it to add emotion to your plea for infringement.

I’m saying it because it is true.

A disarmed populace is easy to control and that’s how you want it.

You’re mistaken. I don’t want the populace disarmed. I want all gun owners to be responsible gun owners, but that isn’t going to happen without regulation. Those who are able to safely own a gun and want to own a gun should own a gun. Nobody else should. Ideally we would have gun regulation that falls somewhere between the Netherlands’ or Finland’s gun law, which have a ~20x lower and ~3x lower death rate than our country.

worldpopulationreview.com/…/gun-deaths-by-country

Some of you are perfectly comfortable down there.

Thanks for the ad hominem, you really have me convinced.

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dartanjinn@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Of that 50,000, how many were suicide? Should we register rope? How about table saws? Saw that one while I was doing biotrauma cleanup for a certain company with yellow trucks.

I’ll go ahead and tell you - in 2021 54% we’re suicides. (pewresearch.org/…/what-the-data-says-about-gun-de…)

43% we’re murders. Additionally, how many of that 43% were defensive shootings? Either home defense or individual self defense?

Additionally how many of those were negligent discharges?

I’ll go ahead and tell you - 549 we’re “accidental” (read: negligent)

You can’t just throw out an arbitrary number and say government can make people less violent or depressed or more responsible by giving themselves more power. That’s not how the world works. People will find a way to be violent to themselves or others or just plain irresponsible but the actions of a few should absolutely NOT curtail the rights of the many.

Registration leads to confiscation. That’s now an established fact. While we’re comparing our country to others, UK, New Zealand, Australia, Sweden, Norway and Canada have all, in recent times, banned and confiscated registered firearms. Australia and Canada have been particularly egregious about it.

People are not dying “over” it. A far majority of those deaths would have happened regardless given that only 549 were “accidents.”

Suicide and murder will take place regardless of means or method. By trying to give more power to an already overstepping government, you’re throwing stones to topple rocks. Solve problems, don’t replace them.

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- PizzaMan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  
  I’ll go ahead and tell you - in 2021 54% we’re suicides.
  
  I’m aware of that, and it doesn’t change anything.
  
  med.stanford.edu/…/handgun-ownership-associated-w…
  
  Simply owning a gun makes suicide more likely. So your comments about rope and table saws don’t really apply.
  
  You can’t just throw out an arbitrary number and say government can make people less violent or depressed or more responsible by giving themselves more power.
  
  And that’s not what I’m saying. Instead of arguing against a boogeyman, how about you address what I’m actually saying.
  
  Registration leads to confiscation.
  
  Good. Some people should not own guns.
  
  People are not dying “over” it.
  
  Yes they are, -50,000 per year as I’ve already established.
  
  A far majority of those deaths would have happened regardless given that only 549 were “accidents.”
  
  That’s simply not true, and accidents are not the only preventable type of gun death.
  
  Suicide and murder will take place regardless of means or method.
  
  As my above link from standford shows, this is not true.
  
  The same applies for homicide.
  
  med.stanford.edu/…/handguns-homicide-risk.html
  
  The evidence supports the exact opposite of your claims.
  
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  - dartanjinn@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Well, as it happens, your opinion is wrong and that right there is why no one should have a say over who can have what.
    
    Some people should be responsible enough to not use guns negligently or aggressively but they do. Doesn’t mean you get to pick who does and doesn’t get one. It’s little statements like that one that expose little pieces of your sympathy to tyranny. The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
    
    Gay black transgender democrat farmers on antidepressants with felony records should have the right to own guns. You don’t get to decide who’s worthy and who’s not.
    
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    PizzaMan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    
    your opinion is wrong
    
    How convincing.
    
    Some people should be responsible enough to not use guns negligently or aggressively but they do.
    
    And therefore we need better protections.
    
    It’s little statements like that one that expose little pieces of your sympathy to tyranny.
    
    You have a terrible understanding of tyranny if a law saying “felons shouldn’t own guns”, voted in democratically is tyranny to you.
    
    The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
    
    You got tripped up over something as simple as “people are dying over this”. So no thanks, I’m not going to take your interpretation of the 2nd Amendment.
    
    You don’t get to decide who’s worthy and who’s not.
    
    I never said otherwise. It’s the people’s decision when they go to vote. And the people should decide to prevent these preventable deaths.
    
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