Comment on Federal judge again strikes down California law banning gun magazines of more than 10 rounds

• PizzaMan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Lol driving is a privilege, not a right.

  It is in fact a right.

  supremecourt.gov/…/20220301155927765_20220301-153…

  • “The right of a citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, by horsedrawn carriage, wagon, or automobile, is not a mere privilege which may be permitted or prohibited at will, but a common right which he has under his right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”

  The 2nd is literally the only right that specifically states “shall not be infringed.”

  And gun control does not infringe that right anymore than car regulations infringe the right to travel.

  Yet here you are wanting it infringed because you’re scared.

  I want gun control not because I am scared (I’m not), but because people are dying over this and it is easily preventable. We are basically the only country to have this problem. Almost all of the other developed nations have figured this shit out and don’t regularly have shootings or gun deaths at the scale we do.

  Michelle Grisham

  lemmy.world/comment/3410602

  I already had a conversation about her. I am well aware of who she is. Since you didn’t understand what I was saying, allow me to rephrase.

  • I really do not care what Girsham OR pro-gun death people think.

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  • dartanjinn@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    People are not dying “over” this. People are dying because they’re in the wrong place at the wrong time. Just like people buried in an avalanche or a hurricane or a car wreck or insert unfortunate circumstance here. You only want to say people are dying over it to add emotion to your plea for infringement. A disarmed populace is easy to control and that’s how you want it. But it ain’t gonna happen. I’d rather die on my feet than live on my knees. Some of you are perfectly comfortable down there.

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    • PizzaMan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      People are not dying “over” this.

      ~50,000 people died in 2021 alone.

      pewresearch.org/…/what-the-data-says-about-gun-de…

      You only want to say people are dying over it to add emotion to your plea for infringement.

      I’m saying it because it is true.

      A disarmed populace is easy to control and that’s how you want it.

      You’re mistaken. I don’t want the populace disarmed. I want all gun owners to be responsible gun owners, but that isn’t going to happen without regulation. Those who are able to safely own a gun and want to own a gun should own a gun. Nobody else should. Ideally we would have gun regulation that falls somewhere between the Netherlands’ or Finland’s gun law, which have a ~20x lower and ~3x lower death rate than our country.

      worldpopulationreview.com/…/gun-deaths-by-country

      Some of you are perfectly comfortable down there.

      Thanks for the ad hominem, you really have me convinced.

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      • dartanjinn@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Of that 50,000, how many were suicide? Should we register rope? How about table saws? Saw that one while I was doing biotrauma cleanup for a certain company with yellow trucks.

        I’ll go ahead and tell you - in 2021 54% we’re suicides. (pewresearch.org/…/what-the-data-says-about-gun-de…)

        43% we’re murders. Additionally, how many of that 43% were defensive shootings? Either home defense or individual self defense?

        Additionally how many of those were negligent discharges?

        I’ll go ahead and tell you - 549 we’re “accidental” (read: negligent)

        You can’t just throw out an arbitrary number and say government can make people less violent or depressed or more responsible by giving themselves more power. That’s not how the world works. People will find a way to be violent to themselves or others or just plain irresponsible but the actions of a few should absolutely NOT curtail the rights of the many.

        Registration leads to confiscation. That’s now an established fact. While we’re comparing our country to others, UK, New Zealand, Australia, Sweden, Norway and Canada have all, in recent times, banned and confiscated registered firearms. Australia and Canada have been particularly egregious about it.

        People are not dying “over” it. A far majority of those deaths would have happened regardless given that only 549 were “accidents.”

        Suicide and murder will take place regardless of means or method. By trying to give more power to an already overstepping government, you’re throwing stones to topple rocks. Solve problems, don’t replace them.

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