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Comment on Lemmy instances that are focused on mirroring Reddit content?

rglullis@communick.news ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

Nobody wants to participate in a disconnected discussion.

This is why the next part of the work is to build a bridge to send notifications to the people on reddit.

We have multiple instances with bots that do precisely what you’re saying

Do we really? Can you point me to them?

Nobody wants to have a discussion about a reddit post.

You are starting to sound like a gatekeeper. First, this is not the goal of this tool. The idea is eventually to have mirror accounts ends to work as proxys to allow for two-way bridges. Second, a lot of people know that they are not with reddit, but when they have come to lemmy they bounced back because they couldn’t find the content they were used to.

We need more people posting to Lemmy.

Agree, but If we follow the rule of 90/9/1 for lurkers/commenters/posters, this means that we can bring 90% of reddit’s userbase to the fediverse just by bringing the content here. The posters and commenters will eventually follow.

The logic is simple: unless I start breaking into people’s phones and computers, I can not force people them to post to Lemmy, but I can get their content here. A tool like this can help the intolerant minority to drive the behavior of the majority.

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Jumuta@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
If we’re interacting with Reddit anyway what’s the point of using Lemmy

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- rglullis@communick.news ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  You won’t be interacting with Reddit. It’s the opposite. This tool is to make sure that those on the fediverse do not need Reddit, but those on Reddit start getting exposure to the Fediverse.
  
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  - Jumuta@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    you’re literally building a bridge though, isn’t that interacting with reddit?
    
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    rglullis@communick.news ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    It’s one-way. You personally don’t interact with anything on Reddit.
    
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aaaa@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Okay not precisely, but we have a bot (I think it’s the one at smeargle.fans) that reposts Reddit threads and replicates all of their comments, which nobody engages with

You are starting to sound like a gatekeeper.

Well that term just doesn’t apply. I’m not saying “Real Lemmy users avoid anything to do with Reddit” or anything along those lines. You asked for feedback, and I gave you my honest criticism of it.

I understand that you found a project that sounds fun to make, and it probably will be. This is what we engineers do, we get excited to build things that seem to have clever technical answers. However in my past few months on Lemmy, I have seen these ideas, and have seen the way they tend to work out so far.

The logic may be simple, but human psychology is rarely as simple as engineers wish it could be.

Feel free to build your project. All aspiring engineers should make things that they want to make. But if you ask for feedback, don’t argue that the feedback is wrong. Not all solutions end up working out the way you hope, and that’s part of the engineering life. And based on prior experience, this one is likely to get the same treatment that the other repost bots get.

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- rglullis@communick.news ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  But if you ask for feedback, don’t argue that the feedback is wrong
  
  Sorry for the bluntness, but I did not ask for any feedback at all. I am asking very specific questions and this post is mostly to collect information from those who can be interested in using it.
  
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  - elbarto777@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    What an awful way to interact with potential users. Accepting constructive criticism leads to better and more successful projects.
    
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    Spzi@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Even more so considering most of his ‘users’ will be in that role without consent. OP prefers to pretend his userbase only consists of those who consent. I say for every person who finds this useful, there will be 10 or more who have to take action to shut it off. For some, this action might be to leave Lemmy altogether, backfiring on the intended effect of the tool.
    
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    rglullis@communick.news ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I don’t mind criticism. If you go take a look at my post when I first announced the project you will see that I was accepting all the concerns that people were raising.
    
    What I do mind is being lectured by someone who constructs a bunch of strawmen (“this is just like lemmit!”, “I don’t want this, therefore no one wants this!”) and then when called out for them responds with “they were just giving feedback”.
    
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9point6@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

Do we really? Can you point me to them?

lemmit.online did this and was recently defederated, partially because the one admin wasn’t able to prevent the volume of posts being generated from ending up filled with spam.

There’s a few HN bots too, but unfortunately the posts never get much engagement here, so I have to go through to HN to read some discussion about it (which I will do, but a much bigger proportion of people just don’t appear to engage with mirrored content here)

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elbarto777@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
You lost me at calling the poster a gatekeeper.

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Spzi@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
We have multiple instances with bots that do precisely what you’re saying

Do we really? Can you point me to them?

Two examples:

lemmit.online/u/bot

zerobytes.monster/u/bOt

I wonder if the time people had to spend for removing their spam from their feed already surpasses the time the developers have spent setting them up. I know, I know, you intend your bot to be different, so not ‘precisely’ that, but I’m worried the result might be the same. Lots of posts with zero engagement, which give people the impression Lemmy consists of bot posts, ultimately driving user engagement down.
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shagie@programming.dev ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

This is why the next part of the work is to build a bridge to send notifications to the people on reddit.

You do realize how fast this would be used to spam users on Reddit and then how absurdly quickly it would result in the API keys getting restricted?

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- rglullis@communick.news ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Ahead of you: one of the planned items to be worked on is a spam filter. ;)
  
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  - shagie@programming.dev ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    If 90 accounts over the course of 15 minutes comment on a post in Lemmy, how many notifications would be sent to the person on Reddit? How frequently? Does it honor the reddit feature of unselecting “notify me about followup comments?”
    
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    rglullis@communick.news ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    the idea is simply to reply to the comment by replying to the comment, not by notifying the user or sending a DM
    
    This is not implemented yet.
    
    it is an open source project. Instead of playing armchair software architect, feel free to contribute if you worry so much about the implementation.
    
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