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What do I care if some person I don’t know is convicted or not convicted of a crime?

That one is totally up to you. What you should care about is whether innocent people are suffering because or your action or inaction.

The article talks about rape specifically, but many forms of abuse exist in communities, both online and offline. Only a fraction of them are prosecuted, but many of them cause real harm nonetheless.

The thing is, you don’t have to remember the people or their stories, all you need to remeber is what is right and what is wrong, or what qualifies as a bad actor vsa good one, and then speak out in support of the good ones. So just two things to remember, way fewer than you have cousins I assume.

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jasory@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
If we have insufficient information, how do we know that innocent people are actually being harmed, or if we do take action (the minimum action you seem to be advocating for is ostracism) against the accused how do we know that they are not the innocent ones?

Are we really supposed to resort to broad statistics when making intimate decisions?

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- hassanmckusick@lemmy.discothe.quest ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  
  or if we do take action (the minimum action you seem to be advocating for is ostracism) against the accused
  
  Either way someone’s getting ostracized. People who don’t ostracize the accused are going to ostracize the accuser.
  
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  - jasory@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    “Ostracizing” the accuser is generally voluntary. There is a difference between “I’m not comfortable working with this person” and leaving, and everyone coming to you and saying “Get out”.
    
    The latter is fairly rare to happen to accusers, but it’s expected for the accused.
    
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    hassanmckusick@lemmy.discothe.quest ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    
    The latter is fairly rare to happen to accusers, but it’s expected for the accused.
    
    That’s not true. Kids have been disowned by their families for reporting SA. Ostracization is a real possibility for victims and it’s a very large part of causes rapes to go unreported. Nobody wants to be friends with the person who makes false allegations.
    
    Not to mention you’re leaving out all the people who will see someone actually convicted and decide not to ostracize the guilty person because “akchually he’s a good guy”.
    
    The reality is that it is insanely hard to fence-sit on I don’t believe the accusation but I don’t think the accuser is lying either.
    
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