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BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

Junior and mid-level engineers will now require more senior engineers to sign off any AI-assisted changes, Treadwell added.

So instead of getting a human to write it and AI peer reviewing it you want the most expensive per hour developers to look at stuff a human didn’t write and the other engineers can’t explain? Yeah, this is where the efficiency gains disappear.

I read stuff from one of my Jr’s all the time and most of it is made with AI. I don’t understand most of it and neither does the Dev. He keeps saying how much he’s learned from AI but peer programming with him is the pits. I try to say stuff like, “Oops! Looks like we forgot the packages.” And then 10 secs of silence later, “So you can go to line 24 and type…”

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Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Just to add to this:

When a senior dev reviews code from a more junior dev and gives feedback the more junior person (generally) learns from it.

When a senior dev reviews code from an AI, the AI does not learn from it.

So beyond the first order effects you pointed out - the using of more time from more experience and hence expensive people - there is a second order effect due of loss of improvement in the making of code which is both persistent and cumulative with time: every review and feedback of the code from a junior dev reduces forever the future need for that, whilst every review and feedback of the code from an AI has no impact at all in need for it in the future.
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RandallFlagg@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Lol I would be your Jr, except instead of 10 seconds of silence it would be 10 seconds of me frantically clacking on the keyboard “add a block to this for these packages with proper syntax, I forgot to include it” to claude. Then I’d of course be all discombobulated and shit so I wouldn’t even bother to open code, I’d just ctrl-c about 100 lines somewhere around the general area of where I think the new code block should go, then ctrl-v the whole thing into the chat box because why not the company is paying out the dick for these tokens so might as well use them.

And two weeks later half our website crashes which results in you having to go to a meeting where management tells you to keep a closer eye on me. Which is basically what you had been already doing before AI but now you get to babysit me and claude!

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jbloggs777@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
It’ll be temporary, a gut reaction to add more experienced engineers in the loop. These folks will try to codify and then push better checks/guardrails into CI/CD and tooling to save themselves time. Given how new this all is, it’s almost the blind leading the blind though.

Amazon might also have some poor system boundaries, leading to non-critical systems/code impacting critical systems. Or they just let junior devs with their AI tools run wild on critical components without adequate guardrails… also likely. :-P

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