Comment on Sociology textbooks made illegal by a board that has no educators on it. Schools will become propaganda machines.

UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• Bassman1805@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I have a kid in preschool and honestly I dread the “pledge of allegiance talk” more than most other common “uncomfortable parent conversations”

  “Yeah this is bullshit but you WILL be ostracized if you don’t join in. I realized this in middle school and just had to go through the motions for the next 6 years or so but I felt like I was taking crazy pills.”

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  • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I think it helps that, at least by high school, it wasn’t even something (normal) kids argued about. Just another annoying school policy, like when they put “Evolution is Just A Theory” label on biology textbooks and kicked a star athlete off the basketball team for having a boyfriend.

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• dk841143@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I was just going to reply in a similar way. I read that and thought: They will BECOME propaganda machines? Riiight…

  Honestly, I don’t see how any state managed educational system, or any educational system controlled by any powerful entity, wouldn’t eventually slip in propaganda. If Coca-Cola ran an educational system, I’m sure it’d be increasingly full of subtle and not so subtle propagandas that Coke favors.

  I suppose best we can do is argue/decide which “propaganda” are acceptable/useful, and which are not.

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  • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Honestly, I don’t see how any state managed educational system, or any educational system controlled by any powerful entity, wouldn’t eventually slip in propaganda.

    Propaganda, strictly defined, is information from a slanted perspective.

    At a really high level - where schools have limited time in the day/year and have to select their focus of study.

    You can always and forever make hay about “what schools AREN’T teaching your kids!!!” because there’s always choices being made and people unhappy with those choices.

    What’s happening in the US, today, is a deliberate effort to reverse historical liberal education regimes.

    It’s not propaganda people are noticing, but the change in propaganda.

    In short, nothing new under the sun.

    I mean, it’s definitely different

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    • dk841143@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yes, its different in that’s its a change in propaganda. As you said. But that’s nothing new. The propaganda changes as the agendas change. What’s not new under the sun is institutions compelled to propagandize. That’s was my point.

      Any system of power or influence, state, corporate, etc. will eventually veer towards the slipping in/introducing of propagandas. If they don’t from the jump, which they often do. That’s another of my points.

      It’s a comment fueled by the OPs post with a title ending with “Schools will become propaganda machines.” As if they weren’t already. Which I obviously think they are / have been for a long time. Some just don’t like the changes in propaganda or amount of propagandas. Hence why I say maybe best we generally can do is argue which propaganda may be useful and which are not. For instancd, maybe we feel having children pledge allegiance to a state through the symbol of a flag is useful for the cohesion of a populous via fostering national unity, patriotism, and loyalty to the republic (for U.S). Or maybe we find it to be gross indoctrination, too religion/coded, and fundamentally un-american in original spirit.

      And I don’t think propaganda is define as simply a “slanted perspective”. Propaganda is communication of info/ideas/etc that is deliberately and primarily used to influence or persuade an audience to further an agenda. And it’d often very systemic. I may have a bias or slant towards an opinion, but doesn’t make it propaganda. I think there are more characteristics needed.

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