Comment on System76 on Age Verification Laws
forestbeasts@pawb.social 2 weeks agoI don’t think anything defaulting to Wayland is guaranteed trash, but I also think there should be way more X11 pitchfork people. Or at least less hatred directed at them when they pop up.
“just get with the times it’s THE FUTURE and you’re not allowed to say no!” is… not cool. Especially when Wayland is unusable for anything outside of “the ordinary”, by design.
– Frost
chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I don’t hate X11, but I do think it’s holding us back, so I get the sentiment that many people have. It’s also important to note that it’s human nature to dig our heels in and resist change, so you have to keep your own biases in check.
Wayland is technically more modern and secure, which is important. That said, X11 is still needed and I don’t think we should discount it yet.
I’m curious what “non-normal” things you’re referring to. I’ve found that Wayland and xwayland do everything I need them to and I have a few things I’d consider abnormal.
forestbeasts@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
Hah, yeah, you probably don’t have a CRT monitor!
Having custom resolution support is INCREDIBLY important for them, because they have no native resolution and you can just throw pretty much anything at them and it looks fantastic. It’s great for getting high refresh rates in games, especially since decreasing the resolution means you don’t have to work as hard for that framerate, without the nastiness of upscaling.
And also our monitor reports 1280x1024 as the highest resolution. Which… is the wrong aspect ratio. ??? So we NEED custom resolutions to even have a usable monitor.
KDE finally came out with support for this… in a version that’s not in Debian yet… like, one major release before dropping X11 support completely. And pretty much every other desktop on the planet is just out in the cold (except for all the window managers that base off of wlroots or something, I think it has an equivalent). Gnome? Good fucking luck.
Oh and screenshot tools. Those are tied to the DE now! Want to use a competing screenshot tool? You just… uh… can’t. I mean we’re on KDE and Spectacle is pretty great so it doesn’t really affect us, but if we didn’t like Spectacle, we’d be more or less screwed under Wayland.
Also scaling the screen. I don’t mean widget toolkit scaling. I mean e.g. integer scaling the screen pixels from 1920x1080 to 4K, a simple 2x2 for 4K TVs, or what-have-you. (Because 4K TVs don’t do this themselves even though they really should.) Or going the other way, rendering at 1280x960 and then downscaling to 640x480 so our CRT can get 120Hz. Easy on X11. Straight-up impossible on Wayland.
Oh yeah, and did I mention disabling our PS4 controller’s trackpad from working as a mouse, without disabling any other trackpad on the system, without disabling its ability to work as a button or whatever in Steam Input? That too.
Stuff like that.
forestbeasts@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
But also more generally, the whole attitude of “you’re just a Luddite who’s HOLDING US BACK!!”. See also systemd.
(I don’t like systemd for completely different reasons (political rather than technical) but the very similar “you just need to get with the times!!!” attitude is also a massive turnoff for basically the same reason.)
(Also see also Rust. Ditto.)