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couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 4 days agoWell they could, and I know this is a crazy idea but bear with me for just a moment, not try to make nuclear weapons
“I need nuclear weapons to protect me from people attacking me because they want to prevent me from getting nuclear weapons” -> somewhere there’s a bit of circular logic in there
CapeWearingAeroplane@sopuli.xyz 4 days ago
We can flip that argument though: “These people keep trying to make nukes to stop me from bombing them. Maybe if I stop bombing them and instead try to make something like the old Iran nuclear agreement, they won’t see a massive need for nukes”.
The thing is, the US+Israel have shown time and again that they will conduct bombings and assassinations on Iranian (and other) soil regardless of whether the country in question is actually anywhere close to building nukes. So the idea “maybe we should stop trying to build nukes” just falls flat on its face once the US+Israel bombs you anyway, which is basically what’s happening here.
couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 3 days ago
I’m happy you’re seeing the light :)
Well, no.
Can you give any examples of either Israel or the US bombing Iran or something like you describe that wasn’t linked to their nuclear program?
For clarity: impotent calls to attack Iran have always been there: from inside the US (remember McCain singing), from Israel (well, Iran is sponsoring the ‘freedom fighters’ in direct conflict with Israel for decades) and even from Saudi Arabia (which was also confirmed in Cablegate).
But can you give any examples of the US or even Israel directly attacking them since like the 80’s?
Claims from Bibi with a cartoon that Iran is working on nukes: no attack Strong indications that they are, indeed, working to acquire nukes: Stuxnet, assassinations, negotiations Clear proof that they are ramping up production of highly enriched uranium: negatiotions Refusal to stop their production: attack + pickachu
CapeWearingAeroplane@sopuli.xyz 3 days ago
There are two primary points here:
Just the past couple of years there has been an assassination of a high-ranking officer in Iran, and iirc a bombing of their consulate in Beirut. None of these are related to the nuclear program, they weren’t even claimed to be related to the nuclear program. I also mentioned other countries: the whole “Iraq has WMD’s”-thing comes to mind.
Regardless of the above, both the US and Israel have signed the UN charter, explicitly stating that the will not attack other countries just to get their way. Doing that puts them on the same level as russia when it comes to respecting international law. Saying “you should have done as I said and you wouldn’t have gotten beat up” doesn’t justify beating someone up.
couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 3 days ago
A1: if Iran is sending members of their military to oversee weapon shipments to groups that attack Israel, or to coördinate with groups that attack Israel, don’t you see that that’s a little bit different from “we’re just peacefully sitting at home and they attack us out of nowhere” ?
A2: if you’re going to conflate this with the attack on Iraq you’ll ha