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couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 4 days ago‘Their sovereignty’ in this case being a religious elite of around 5% that holds the rest of the people as their cattle.
Sure from their pov they ‘need’ those nukes, but unless you’re on their side it’s a very good thing if they don’t get them
CapeWearingAeroplane@sopuli.xyz 4 days ago
Of absolutely! I would much prefer that Iran (a fanatic, fundamentalist government) do not get their hands on nukes.
I’m just pointing out the irony in that bombing them “preemptively” around once a year, and in general breaking all kinds of international law against them (assassinations etc.) is basically just yelling to them that “As long as you don’t have nukes, we can do whatever we want to you, and murder your people as we please. We’re also gonna keep doing it regularly to stop you from getting nukes!”
If that doesn’t convince someone to do everything in their power to build nukes, I don’t know what will.
couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 4 days ago
Well they could, and I know this is a crazy idea but bear with me for just a moment, not try to make nuclear weapons
“I need nuclear weapons to protect me from people attacking me because they want to prevent me from getting nuclear weapons” -> somewhere there’s a bit of circular logic in there
CapeWearingAeroplane@sopuli.xyz 4 days ago
We can flip that argument though: “These people keep trying to make nukes to stop me from bombing them. Maybe if I stop bombing them and instead try to make something like the old Iran nuclear agreement, they won’t see a massive need for nukes”.
The thing is, the US+Israel have shown time and again that they will conduct bombings and assassinations on Iranian (and other) soil regardless of whether the country in question is actually anywhere close to building nukes. So the idea “maybe we should stop trying to build nukes” just falls flat on its face once the US+Israel bombs you anyway, which is basically what’s happening here.
couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 3 days ago
I’m happy you’re seeing the light :)
Well, no.
Can you give any examples of either Israel or the US bombing Iran or something like you describe that wasn’t linked to their nuclear program?
For clarity: impotent calls to attack Iran have always been there: from inside the US (remember McCain singing), from Israel (well, Iran is sponsoring the ‘freedom fighters’ in direct conflict with Israel for decades) and even from Saudi Arabia (which was also confirmed in Cablegate).
But can you give any examples of the US or even Israel directly attacking them since like the 80’s?
Claims from Bibi with a cartoon that Iran is working on nukes: no attack Strong indications that they are, indeed, working to acquire nukes: Stuxnet, assassinations, negotiations Clear proof that they are ramping up production of highly enriched uranium: negatiotions Refusal to stop their production: attack + pickachu