Comment on Desalination system could produce freshwater that is cheaper than tap water

Tarastie@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• Spzi@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  What’s wrong with desalination research? Water is essential to life, and most water on Earth is salinated. The practical value of this research is apparent, both for ships on sea and coastal regions. So I don’t see how these attempts are “worthless”, and how it would be bad if they receive more “free money”.

  The article talks about what could have been a challenge faced by the junkyard scrap model, and how they solved it:

  Each stage contained an evaporator and a condenser that used heat from the sun to passively separate salt from incoming water. That design, which the team tested on the roof of an MIT building, efficiently converted the sun’s energy to evaporate water, which was then condensed into drinkable water. But the salt that was left over quickly accumulated as crystals that clogged the system after a few days. In a real-world setting, a user would have to place stages on a frequent basis, which would significantly increase the system’s overall cost.

  In a follow-up effort, they devised a solution with a similar layered configuration, this time with an added feature that helped to circulate the incoming water as well as any leftover salt. While this design prevented salt from settling and accumulating on the device, it desalinated water at a relatively low rate.

  In the latest iteration, the team believes it has landed on a design that achieves both a high water-production rate, and high salt rejection, meaning that the system can quickly and reliably produce drinking water for an extended period. The key to their new design is a combination of their two previous concepts: a multistage system of evaporators and condensers, that is also configured to boost the circulation of water — and salt — within each stage.

  I’m not sure how much money is in desalination, but it’s certainly an industry. If a group comes up with a new method, and then nothing happens with it, it’s probably because it’s either not that great after all, or not that cost effective.

  Maybe a problem is that the countries where it’s needed the most are not exactly the richest countries: ourworldindata.org/water-use-stress#what-share-of…

  several countries across the Middle East, North Africa & South Asia have extremely high levels of water stress. Many, such as Saudi Arabia, Egypt, United Arab Emirates, Syria, Pakistan, Libya have withdrawal rates well in excess of 100 percent — this means they are either extracting unsustainably from existing aquifer sources, or produce a large share of water from desalinisation.

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  • orrk@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    you know, if you build a large solar still, you just have to flush it every couple cycles to deal with the salt, and it can be as big as you can make a warehouse…

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    • assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      How do you know that you’re flushing out all the salts with each flush? Are you able to reach every part of the reservoir with the flush? Even if you can, what do the flow patterns look like – are there dead zones with no flow?

      It really isn’t as simple as you describe, although I really wish that it was.

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      • orrk@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        So the fun part is, all of what you mentioned, doesn’t matter, because you don’t actually need to get every bit of salt out of the reservoir, so you just flush out a good deal of it with more salt water!

        you read this paper and its complexities and assumed that the things mentioned are inherently important to the functioning of the system, but like the Tesla-trucks and acceleration, they really aren’t.

        all you need for the system to work is liquid, as long as there is more osmotic pressure pulling the water away from the salt than the hydrogen bonds produce.

        low tech, easy to scale, and already being done

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• Edgelord_Of_Tomorrow@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  For desalination all you need is a glass bowl and two metal bowls. You put the bigger metal bowl on the ground, the smaller metal bowl in the middle, and the glass bowl over the little bowl. The salt water evaporates from the little bowl and condenses down the glass bowl into the bigger bowl. You can run this setup pretty much forever, there’s no moving parts and minimal maintenance. That’s how simple desalination is. All solar desalination projects work on this principle.

  The reason we don’t use it is the same reason we don’t do so many things: there is no immediate monetary cost to destroying the environment and using up common resources, so desalination is “expensive” compared to just using up the groundwater. Once all the groundwater is used up and the rivers run dry, desalination will be very competitive.

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