Nope, not what I believe at all, and the fact that you have to invent my beliefs proves you can’t actually argue against my real ones.
Nope, not what I believe at all, and the fact that you have to invent my beliefs proves you can’t actually argue against my real ones.
Fizz@lemmy.nz 3 weeks ago
1 search for “vanguard” returns several comments of you supporting a vanguard party. That is not “worker run” or democratic. So why lie and pretend you support democracy or workers?
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Vanguards are both worker run and democratic. Vanguards are a subsection of the working classes, not a class of their own or outside class struggle, and are both democratic internally, as well as establishing systems of democracy externally. I’m really not sure where you’re getting the idea that believing the working class needs to be organized for revolution means democracy is suddenly off the table.
For example, in the USSR, first-hand accounts from Statesian journalist Anna Louise Strong in her book This Soviet World describe soviet elections and factory councils in action. Statesian Pat Sloan even wrote Soviet Democracy to describe in detail the system the soviets had built for curious Statesians to read about. Today we have Professor Roland Boer’s Socialism in Power: On the History and Theory of Socialist Governance to reference for other socialist countries, with their own forms of democracy.
So again, why lie about what I believe? I’m not responsible for you not knowing what a vanguard is or how socialist democracy works.
Fizz@lemmy.nz 3 weeks ago
Vanguard parties are not working class how could they be. Are you going to have a vanguard party of steel workers running your country no that would be stupid. They are educated elites your comment explaining that so dont act like its wrong.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
“Intellectuals,” or whatever term you wish to describe them as, are not a class, but a subsection of every class. Each class has its own “intellectuals,” there are proletarian intellectuals and there are capitalist intellectuals. What the vanguard is, is a group of the working classes dedicated to revolution, professional revolutionaries. They are not “elites.” Here’s a diagram from Lady Izdihar:
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Classes are not simply any way you can categorize people, but specific social relations to production. Yes, steel workers are often members of vanguard parties. I organize with a communist party and have a full-time job. I’m not “acting” like you’re mistaken, you are mistaken, you do not know how vanguards function nor how democracy works within vanguards and socialist countries with vanguard parties, otherwise you wouldn’t be acting like vanguards are a “class” and that they aren’t democratic.