Comment on Dbzero has Defederated from Feddit.org following its Governance post about the later's Zionist Bar Problem

rushmonke@ttrpg.network ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• draco_aeneus@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  1. They had a vote, and the people said strongly that they did not want to see this.
  2. Platforming Facism is the best way to spread Facism, and deplatforming Facism is the best way to fight it. Supporting their freedom to speak is in effect the same as supporting the ideology.

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  • rushmonke@ttrpg.network ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Supporting their freedom to speak is in effect the same as supporting the ideology.

    It’s a shame most people on the internet don’t recognize how rhetoric like this causes more harm than good.

    “If you don’t support me in censoring my enemies, then you’re just as bad as they are.”

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    • Riverside@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      “I will fight for the right of my enemies to have free speech!”, I proudly state as the fascist guards hand me a shovel and force me to dig my grave at gunpoint

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  • Aequitas@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    1. That’s not true. A lot of users have spoken out against defederation. Just look at the top comments here. There is no way you can speak of a “consensus” as the admin of dbzer0 claims.

    2. It’s completely ridiculous to accuse feddit.org of being Zionist because particularly militant anti-Zionist forms (“Death to Israel”) are not allowed there. This line of argument is inconclusive and makes the classic conversion fallacy. But more importantly, most people on feddit.org are very critical of Israel. For example, I never read that anyone seriously denies that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza. Even if it did happen, it would be criticized immediately. They probably just don’t do so with the radicalism that is represented on dbzer0. Instead of concluding that there is at least a large overlap here, that the people on feddit.org are not only not allies, but in fact enemies (“fascists”), is so ridiculous that I can hardly believe that this is being advocated by adults. Yes, there have always been these stupid left-wing purity contests. But I think this reaches a new level of stupidity here.

    I can’t stand this anymore. There are actual fascists who want to destroy both the users of feddit.org and dbzer0. They won’t care how purely anti-Zionist the person in question is. They’ll hang us all equally if they get the chance. But instead of uniting, we are creating new hostilities between us.

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• BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Let people say, and see, what they want.

  Yes, that’s why the defederated with an instance that bans anti Zionism.

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