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• ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Honestly is it any better in capitalist countries?

  The moment you go protest something the government or a company is doing that’s ethically or morally wrong or disadvantages the working class, you get beat up by police and thrown in jail. How is it different?

  Or if you talk bad about a company you get sued for slander for millions of dollars to shut you up. 

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  • merc@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The moment you go protest something the government or a company is doing that’s ethically or morally wrong or disadvantages the working class, you get beat up by police and thrown in jail. How is it different?

    Because that doesn’t happen as a rule. Sure, sometimes it happens, especially if the protesters are violent. But, it’s perfectly normal to have an anti-government protest where the cops just stand and watch. Look at all the No Kings protests in the US, and how almost nobody was beaten up or arrested. Millions of people out on the street protesting, only a handful of injuries and arrests.

    Or if you talk bad about a company you get sued for slander for millions of dollars to shut you up.

    Which also only rarely happens. When it does, you can defend yourself in court, and sometimes if your case is a big one the ACLU or EFF or someone will step in on your side to help defend your right to say things. Compare that to an autocratic country where critics of the government or businesses that are cozy with the government often simply disappear and never reappear.

    But, none of that is really what makes an authoritarian government different. What makes it different is that you can’t change that government. Modern western democratic countries that use a mix of socialism and capitalism (so, all of them) have elections. Those elections may not always be fully free or fully fair. But, they exist and they’re not just for show. Surprise results happen. People who have no connections to money or the establishment sometimes gain power. In authoritarian systems that simply doesn’t happen. There are sometimes struggles for power at the top. But, the ability for the people on the ground to influence the way they’re governed is extremely limited. It’s what defines an authoritarian government.

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    • ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Real talk though. Communism doesn’t automatically lead to authoritarianism. We can have a democratic communist system. 

      Capitalism though will lead to fascism. Because it’s all about the bottom line: maximizing profits and minimizing loss. Company profits are prioritized over everything else. Money is funneled into the pockets of the capitalists and they start acquiring each other up until there’s only one. It’s a big game of monopoly. And the working class end up being used and abused until they’re nothing more than wage slaves. And you quickly end up with corruption because money is power. Money rules everything.

      Communism kind of gets that out of the equation. The people own the means of production. They work towards a better future for all. They prioritize the needs of the people first. Progress goes towards improving the quality of life of the people.

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      • merc@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Real talk though. Communism doesn’t automatically lead to authoritarianism.

        It does though, in the real world at least.

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