Comment on Our understanding of reality might be a result of the way cousciousness works
ageedizzle@piefed.ca 2 weeks agoIf there’s a new force or field, then it’s still physical,
That depends how you define your terms, but under most definitions I don’t think that this is always going to be the case
But that’s not what you’re talking about, I think. It’s more like the notion of life
I’m not taking about life, I’m talking about consciousness which is a separate topic
And yes, you can consider consciousness as some sort of other fundamental order, but it’s not scientifi
Why?
it specifically cannot be since we can not measure it.
We can measure it indirectly (eg by people telling us about their conscious experiences) which is good enough for empirical study
CannonFodder@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
People explaining their own consciousness is really not good enough. Simple llm ai systems can do that. I’m pretty sure that dogs are conscience, but we can never get their perspective. You cannot know anyone other than yourself is conscious.
ageedizzle@piefed.ca 2 weeks ago
There is a lot of data that is out of reach (such as the experience of a dog) but we can generalize from the data we do have access to and see if we can pick up any meaningful patterns and then generalize from there. That’s how all science is done
CannonFodder@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Science is done by observing, theorizing, predicting and then testing. We cannot test anything on consciousness.
ageedizzle@piefed.ca 2 weeks ago
How do we know that certain wavelengths of light produce certain visual experiences (the colour red, green etc)? How do we know that electrical stimulation to certain parts of the brain can cause certain experiences (such as the hallucination of sounds or smells etc.)? That’s because we test on consciousness indirectly all the time, through first-person reports. So to say that we cannot test any hypothesis related to consciousness is demonstrably false.