Comment on Our understanding of reality might be a result of the way cousciousness works

• CannonFodder@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  My assumption that being healthy is good? geesh, there is a limit to mindless argument.

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  • AnDoLiN@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Lazy argumentation.

    "Can you show me across the ages that humanity in general experiences that the quality of their lives has clearly improved? "

    You haven’t. Because you can’t. Back then, people could’ve rated their quality of life as 3/5 stars. People now could rate their life as 3/5 stars. But by your logic, we should be having infinitely more stars now. But looking at the world, I’m not sure if we’d get 5/5. If you can’t prove that the subjective experience of people’s quality of life has improved, you are just believing a narrative you want to believe, and you use argumentation tactics of believers, not of those who follow logic.

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    • CannonFodder@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      In this case we can’t subjectively measure it. I think it’s a pretty safe assumption that with less pain, people would enjoy life more. We can test that now (probably been done, but maybe too basic). We can look at historical records that people has diseases more in the past, and we can measure the relative discomfort of those diseases now. But, yes, there is a certain amount of believe that logic holds, and that historical evidence is reliable. That said, if a competing theory was put forward, I would think about it and see if there was any way to differentiate via subjective experimental means. It’s only belief in so much as there are no better models.
      But what of my belief? How does it offend you so? Are you trying to justify some crazy beliefs of your own by creating a false equivalence?

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      • AnDoLiN@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        The original point is essentially that you argue matter is prior, and dismiss everything else by calling it “silly” and “crazy”. Yet you keep going around in a circular argument, failing to prove that your beliefs hold any more water than those you dismiss.

        You said “We don’t have proof that consciousness is the result of a physical process. But there’s no reason to think it isn’t.”. You are subtly asking for proof for something NOT being the case. When the burden of proof is on you. Provide positive evidence or arguments for physicalism, or acknowledge it’s an assumption - there’s no point in offering alternatives when you will reject them based on your unproven, physicalist worldview.

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