Violence is always needed for property rights, even outside feudalism and capitalism, though. Violence is a consistent presence across system types. Violence a a means to property control exists outside of civilization itself.
Now that I have been thinking about this replies exchange & especially the above reply of your’s, I come back to reality of whom I really am- person that tries to stay peaceful & calm, but strong, in the face of people doing crazy & dangerous BLANK around me or directly against me. Examples-
Like I said other thread, when I first started bicycling in my own community to the nearest city, pickup trucks would play chicken with me for kicks. Only thing I did was call the cops & they shut that down in a heart beat.
I also have had an car driver try to block my cycling from continuing down the roadway, to fight me, I calmly just continue in the grass on the side of the roadway. They I guess give-up on fighting me, as I point-out the camera always recording (in 350-degrees) to another location, on the top my helmet.
As a long time protester I have had my former truck’s, when I was still driving, license plate recorded by the police, but that is nothing, have had Homestead, Fl.’s Rodeo supporters threaten me, throw stuff at me, spit on me, use ugliest language at me & worst at the fellow female protesters. Sometimes right next to me, only stop after a decade of such behavior & realizing I was not going anywhere. The first time I ever did that rodeo protest threatened with be arrested, if I did leave, would been arrested, even they had no right to do so. I stayed calm, but concerned, so I walked away, after talking former organizer that they had no right to do anything & she talked to the city’s police, that have the right of regulating activist, We when back to protesting, the state police never talked to us that year. Of course it took that decade for the state & city police to stop harassing us, especially, when I hand them copies of the sheriff’s cellphone number, that I speak with every year, before protesting. One-time one of those supporters drove their huge pick-up so close to my cycling, to protest the rodeo, that I almost was hit.
The point is when I maintain my calm, peaceful, but strong, self, I am better at addressing/thinking things through such situations that can be extremely dangerous, especially if I reacted with anger, let alone violence. I am like everyone else, plenty situations where I have to calm myself down, before reacting in anger-violence.
There is a lot conditions added to that, of course when conflict is put in your face, you might to use violence. But then again, negotiation is untapped power,
Correction now I think about, remembering another thread about famous & successful non-violent activist leaders, when violence is on them & all around them- Nelson Mandela, MLK Jr., Mr. Gandhi & Malcom X.
Checkmate, bro,
It just not as bad as you say it is, when peaceful activism successfully pushes out the two-strongest militaries of the world, at three-different types, in The 20th Century. There are even more successful & peaceful activist leaders & their campaigns.
minorkeys@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Violence is always needed for property rights, even outside feudalism and capitalism, though. Violence is a consistent presence across system types. Violence a a means to property control exists outside of civilization itself.
GreatWhite_Shark_EarthAndBeingsRightsPerson@piefed.social 2 days ago
I thought I can go to dark places, when living in such dark times, WOW!
I could not disagree more, Violence is no always present for property rights.
minorkeys@lemmy.world 2 days ago
In what system place or time is force (violence) not a necessary part of ensuring property rights when conflicts arises?
GreatWhite_Shark_EarthAndBeingsRightsPerson@piefed.social 2 days ago
Now that I have been thinking about this replies exchange & especially the above reply of your’s, I come back to reality of whom I really am- person that tries to stay peaceful & calm, but strong, in the face of people doing crazy & dangerous BLANK around me or directly against me. Examples- Like I said other thread, when I first started bicycling in my own community to the nearest city, pickup trucks would play chicken with me for kicks. Only thing I did was call the cops & they shut that down in a heart beat. I also have had an car driver try to block my cycling from continuing down the roadway, to fight me, I calmly just continue in the grass on the side of the roadway. They I guess give-up on fighting me, as I point-out the camera always recording (in 350-degrees) to another location, on the top my helmet. As a long time protester I have had my former truck’s, when I was still driving, license plate recorded by the police, but that is nothing, have had Homestead, Fl.’s Rodeo supporters threaten me, throw stuff at me, spit on me, use ugliest language at me & worst at the fellow female protesters. Sometimes right next to me, only stop after a decade of such behavior & realizing I was not going anywhere. The first time I ever did that rodeo protest threatened with be arrested, if I did leave, would been arrested, even they had no right to do so. I stayed calm, but concerned, so I walked away, after talking former organizer that they had no right to do anything & she talked to the city’s police, that have the right of regulating activist, We when back to protesting, the state police never talked to us that year. Of course it took that decade for the state & city police to stop harassing us, especially, when I hand them copies of the sheriff’s cellphone number, that I speak with every year, before protesting. One-time one of those supporters drove their huge pick-up so close to my cycling, to protest the rodeo, that I almost was hit. The point is when I maintain my calm, peaceful, but strong, self, I am better at addressing/thinking things through such situations that can be extremely dangerous, especially if I reacted with anger, let alone violence. I am like everyone else, plenty situations where I have to calm myself down, before reacting in anger-violence.
GreatWhite_Shark_EarthAndBeingsRightsPerson@piefed.social 2 days ago
There is a lot conditions added to that, of course when conflict is put in your face, you might to use violence. But then again, negotiation is untapped power, Correction now I think about, remembering another thread about famous & successful non-violent activist leaders, when violence is on them & all around them- Nelson Mandela, MLK Jr., Mr. Gandhi & Malcom X. Checkmate, bro,
It just not as bad as you say it is, when peaceful activism successfully pushes out the two-strongest militaries of the world, at three-different types, in The 20th Century. There are even more successful & peaceful activist leaders & their campaigns.