Comment on Messaging apps - XMPP vs Matrix vs ???
Yaky@slrpnk.net 1 day agoMatrix clients aren’t great
IMO the main advantage that Matrix-Element has for normal users is the branding: Element is Element on the web, Android and iOS. (Snikket is trying to do the same for XMPP though)
Matrix is too difficult for “normal” people
Agreed. Simple user+password login to a hosted (non-matrixdotorg) server takes 5-6 pages to click through.
Matrix public rooms have a CP problem
I was spammed with racist copypasta on XMPP once too. But being in large Matrix chats guarantees being invited/messaged.
…Matrix also pisses metadata to any server it federates with, including matrix [.] org
Replication+sync is a strange decision for chats. It sort of makes sense for slower fediverse posts, but creates a lot of strange scenarios and privacy issues with chats. Also, matrixdotorg is used for key backups and vectordotim is used for integrations IIRC.
ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
Delta Chat has this too, it’s the same on linux/mac/win, android, and iOS. There’s also Arcane Chat for android developed by one of the devs of Delta Chat as sort of a testing ground but that’s like an if you know you know thing, like my mom just thinks we’re all on Delta Chat. One thing is they don’t have a web interface afaik, you need the app.
And the recovery passwords and all that just seem to be out of reach for those who just use hunter2 for everything, if the complaints I got are indicative if most people.
Good news for Delta Chat is they don’t really do groups like that, you can group chat but it’s more for like friends and family than strangers, I see that as a win in this use case, where if we need xmpp/matrix style public groups we can fall back to xmpp. You also have to accept chats before they go through and there is no discoverability so you won’t get random drive bys.