Comment on Iran’s Protest Crackdown Followed a China Playbook. There’s a Reason for That.
BrikoX@lemmy.zip 3 days ago
If that’s bad, why the same isn’t called out by Kharon when US police forces are trained under genocidal IDF forces?
therealnews.com/deadly-exchange-us-sends-hundreds…
“We hope the Iranian government and people will overcome the current difficulties and uphold stability in the country,” a Ministry of Foreign Affairs spokeswoman said at a press briefing Wednesday. China opposes, she added, “external interference in other countries’ internal affairs.”
Iranian people didn’t ask US for regime change they only want sanctions relief. So anything implying that is simply manufacturing of consent by US state or state run media.
Also, every fucking sane person opposes foreign interferance in sovereign countries affairs. I oppose:
- US -> Venezuela
- Russia -> Ukraine
- China -> Taiwan
- China -> India
- India -> Pakistan
- Israel -> Palestine
- Israel -> Iran
- US -> Iran
- US -> Greenland
Just a few examples from the top of my head.
P.S. While both China and Taiwan officially claim to be the rightful ruler of all the China, 62.8% (as of 2023 poll) of people in Taiwan identify as Taiwanease, so subverting that would be interference with internal affairs by most standards.
Hotznplotzn@lemmy.sdf.org 3 days ago
Yes, this is very bad, as China helps the Iranian regime to suppress its citizens. The estimates how many of Iranians have been killed vary, but even the lowest numbers are in the thousands. China is contributing to that by providing the same technology that it uses in Xinjiang and other regions to suppress the population.
A recently leaked wedding video laid bare the luxurious lives of Iran’s political elite and highlights hypocrisy of Islamic Republic. A recent survey found that Iranians are so desperate about their totalitarian government that they agree more on regime change than what might come next. Similar surveys are fully in line with other research such as on in 2022 that found that a majority of Iranian reject compulsory hijab and an Islamic regime.
Reports and interviews of exiled Iranians who have family at home clearly say they want a regime change as ‘people need to take back Iran by ourselves and for ourselves.’
I could continue almost endlessly with such reports, all of them, of course, very reliable, but I guess it woudn’t bear fruit here.
What makes this whataboutism to defend China and authoritarian regimes - because this is how your comment can only be interpreted - is not the whataboutism itself as such is widespread on Lemmy. This time it comes from a moderator, though. It’s amazing how many admins and mods here in the Lemmyverse. There are ‘soft’ versions of the grad and bear communities where violence against civilians is literally celebrated, as another study on left-wing extremism in from last year showed.
We all have different opinions, and that’s good for a lively discussion. But in these communities they are literally cheering the death and the violence against innocent people such as Ukrainian civilians. If you don’t believe me or the study, please feel free to visit their communities and read their post and comment yourself.
BrikoX@lemmy.zip 3 days ago
You don’t need to convince me that Iran’s or China’s supression of their people is bad. From supression of speech to repressive woman rights and various human right abuses. I wholeheartedly oppose that. I’m against all authoritarian regimes, but it’s not up-to foreign countries, but people of those countries to overthrow them if they desire. In accordance with international law we have no right impose our beliefs on them.
My post was about Kharon site which is run by former U.S. Treasury Intelligence Officials who have active contracts with U.S. Treasury Department and U.S. Customs and Border Protection. In many respects US is worse than Iran and China combined when it comes to human rights and so everything they accuse others of just comes off as hypocritical and whitewashing. I despise US superiority complex and hypocrisy.
Me agreeing with China stating that international law should be followed is not in defense of China, but the aforementioned international law.
Also, the economic crisis in Iran is mostly created by Western sanctions, so if we really cared about Iranians, we would stop that.
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Hotznplotzn@lemmy.sdf.org 3 days ago
Yes, the Western sanctions hurt the Iranian society, and I am all in for ending this. I have not looked myself into the data and my knowledge of the Iranian economy is very limited, but what I hear and read from those who do is that ordinary citizens in Iran wouldn’t benefit much from the country’s wealth even if sanctions were lifted. This is one reason why people demand a regime change.
BrikoX@lemmy.zip 3 days ago
Sanctions directly devalued their currency by 99% of the value. Removing sactions would have enormous effect on ordinary citizens.