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Do you expect bsky to ban ICE? They already have a job posting to join the Gestapo in their profile, do you think that’s not enough of a reason to ban them?

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rglullis@communick.news ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
I don’t know how else to say it: you keep falling into the same non-sequitur.

No, I don’t expect them to ban anyone from the government. And, no, I don’t think it would be wise to do it: verifying the account does not mean they are supporting it, it just means they are making sure that whatever crap ICE is saying can not go around without accountability.

If you don’t want to see their shitty posts, now you can simply filter it out. And thanks to verification, you can share your filters to others. That’s how decentralized systems work. Bluesky does not control who I get to see. ICE or any other institution can not buy its way into manufacturing propaganda.

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- balsoft@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  No, I don’t expect them to ban anyone from the government.
  
  So, you would be OK with a newspaper accepting ads and publishing an opinion column from Gestapo or SS? They were official government organizations after all.
  
  And, no, I don’t think it would be wise to do it: verifying the account does not mean they are supporting it, it just means they are making sure that whatever crap ICE is saying can not go around without accountability.
  
  You are once again presenting a false dichotomy. Banning ICE would not let them post Nazi propaganda on their platform at all.
  
  That’s how decentralized systems work. Bluesky does not control who I get to see.
  
  Bluesky is centralized, they operate the only full-network indexer of their network, they get to control what accounts can post to all frontends
  
  They are hosting the ICE account on their own server and domain. They definitely can control that, even if there were other indexers available
  
  So not only would be OK with a newspaper publishing an opinion column from SS, you would even buy that newspaper because you can just skip that page and read the other interesting stuff.
  
  ICE or any other institution can not buy its way into manufacturing propaganda.
  
  They literally can. Except in this case they didn’t even have to pay, the corporate overlords of bluesky will let them post propaganda for free.
  
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  - rglullis@communick.news ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    
    So, you would be OK with a newspaper accepting ads
    
    What I am “OK with” has no impact whatsoever in “what actually gets to happen”. I rather not waste my energy on the things that I can not control.
    
    Banning ICE would not let them post Nazi propaganda
    
    It would. They would just do it from unverified accounts. Worse still, they would be able to post it and completely deny it if confronted about it.
    
    the corporate overlords of bluesky will let them post propaganda for free.
    
    Spammers also get to send millions of messages every day for “free”, but we mostly ignore it because we are able to filter them out. Sure, it would be great to completely get rid of spam and the phishing industry… but there is no way to completely get rid of them that does not involve increasing the surveillance aparattus and given more power to a centralized enforcer, so if I have to choose between spammers and corporate-controlled communicatioins, I will take the spammers any day.
    
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    balsoft@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    
    What I am “OK with” has no impact whatsoever in “what actually gets to happen”. I rather not waste my energy on the things that I can not control.
    
    You are in control of which social media you use, and even more so in control about which companies you choose to support or defend. You are currently spending your energy defending a company that is hosting a de-facto nazi account on their servers.
    
    Let me rephrase the question. If a newspaper you enjoy reading started publishing a column from Gestapo, what would you do? Would you boycott and complain? Would you just complain and keep buying it? Or would you keep buying it and defend their actions by “well I can just skip that page with the nazi propaganda on it”?
    
    It would. They would just do it from unverified accounts. Worse still, they would be able to post it and completely deny it if confronted about it.
    
    There is literally nothing stopping them from doing it now. Having a verified account does not impede their ability to create fake unverified accounts in any way.
    
    Spammers also get to send millions of messages every day for “free”, but we mostly ignore it because we are able to filter them out. Sure, it would be great to completely get rid of spam and the phishing industry… but there is no way to completely get rid of them that does not involve increasing the surveillance aparattus and given more power to a centralized enforcer, so if I have to choose between spammers and corporate-controlled communicatioins, I will take the spammers any day.
    
    I would agree with this (except bluesky is also corporate-controlled). There is no way to completely cut out spam, including nazi spam.
    
    But in this case someone from Bluesky looked at this account which self-identifies as a nazi organization, and hasn’t banned it. It is clearly different.
    
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