Comment on Council removes almost 1,000 flags from Derby streets

• Zombie@feddit.uk ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  If you have no understanding of politics, nuance, or history, then yeah, sure, nationalism is still nationalism.

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  • hellothere@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Scots Independence is a nationalistic endevour, it’s pushed on an us and them basis with the usual strength and weakness contradictions and ahistorical myth making.

    Westminster is fucked, absolutely, and the current system does not work for anyone outside of south east England and London. But imagining that a unified Scotland even existed pre-1603 is something my Isles ancestors would dispute rather strongly, especially if insisted on by lowlanders.

    We should be proud of our history, there is nothing wrong with that, but pretending that there is any genuine factual case based in history, economics, political structure, or anything other than emotion, is foolish.

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    • Zombie@feddit.uk ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Utter shite. It’s on a basis of self determination, not us vs them. There is zero anti-English sentiment behind it, despite what the Tories attempt to portray. Anti-Westminster? Absolutely. Anti-Tory? A fairly large amount, yes. But if you can’t be anti-political opponent, then what the fuck can you be against?

      There is no ethnic element to it. It’s not Scotland for Scots, like other nationalist movements. Except on the basis of anyone who lives here and pays taxes can regard themself as a Scot. Whether they are white, black, brown, gay, straight, cis, trans, disabled, religious, atheist, none of that comes into consideration. It is not a classical right wing, ethnic, nationalist movement. It is a movement for self determination and proportional representation under a broadly left to centre left banner.

      There is no harkening back to William Wallace or Robert the Bruce, or any other mythology. There is no preconceived notions that we all lived happily in harmony in the past until the Evil English™ invaded. Clan warfare is clearly understood. Rivalries between families and various landed elites is well understood. The Highland Clearances are clearly understood to have been a mixture of Scottish and English landed gentry causing atrocities for profit.

      The fact you call it Scots Independence and hark to your Isles ancestors makes me question whether you even live here and understand this movement. I would be more inclined to guess you’re an American cosplaying because your great grandad once had a fart on The Royal Mile.

      For more information about the independence movement, written by the people who are actually campaigning for it. See here:

      www.gov.scot/newscotland/

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      • hellothere@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Am not a yank.

        For my sins I live a bit south of the border, and Aberdeen before that.

        Thanks for proving the emotive part of my point though.

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