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• elbarto777@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  You technically answered my question, but that verges in strawman territory, man. I was talking about the absurdity of considering gravity a form of human oppression. Can you tell me why I shouldn’t see it as absurd, given that it’s a natural, inescapable law?

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  • Grail@multiverse.soulism.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I don’t really care whether you see gravity as inescapable (though I’m glad the Wright brothers didn’t), but there are other “natural, inescapable laws” that are completely fake, and some people cause a lot of harm by attacking those who break them. And so I want you to be open to the concept of people accomplishing the impossible, so that you won’t be one of those people.

    For example, gender essentialists claim that sex is a “natural, inescapable law”. And that makes them transphobic. Species essentialists claim that species is a “natural, inescapable law”, and not just a convenient social construct biologists use to make their jobs easier. And that makes them kinphobic.

    I want you to open your mind to the impossible and question everything.

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    • elbarto777@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I want you to open your mind to the impossible and question everything.

      I can certainly do that.

      I don’t really care whether you see gravity as inescapable

      Well, this is not helping.

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      But sorry, absolutely no one can escape gravity. It’s everywhere in the universe. Can you escape Earth’s gravity? Sure. Good luck escaping the solar system’s gravity, or the galaxy’s gravity, or the local cluster’s gravity. So that’s my point. The Wright Brothers “example” is a non-starter.

      Everything else you mentioned are not “natural laws.” They are human/social constructs, which you pointed out and we can agree on.

      But I thought soulism went beyond that. It’s okay. Today I learned something new. Thanks.

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      • rako@tarte.nuage-libre.fr ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        A more interesting way is to understand that there is a difference between what is and how it affects us. The point isn’t so much to decide whether gravity exists or not but to make sure it doesn’t impose any unfair weight (ha) on some members of the society and not others. When we say “it’s just exists” we’re very close to say “there’s nothing we can do about this” and that justifies unfair situations.

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      • Grail@multiverse.soulism.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        The belief in an objective reality is the source of all bigotries and nearly all oppressions. It’s the reason for religious genocides, transphobia, capitalism, and zionism. You believe in less reality than the people who do those things. You’re less reality. I want you to go further, be more radical, believe in no reality. I think you haven’t gone far enough yet.

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      • Grail@multiverse.soulism.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Well, Donald Hoffman, the cognitive psychologist investigating perception of reality, has asserted that spacetime is a mental construct that simplifies our perception of the world around us so that it requires fewer resources to sustain. Since under Einstein gravity is curvature of spacetime, if true this means gravity is part of our interface too. There is something making people fall down ladders, but it’s not as simple as our mind perceives it to be, even for Einstein. Newtonian gravity and Aristotlean gravity have of course been entirely debunked and were thus “escaped”.

        So yeah, gravity is fake. But gravity’s fakeness isn’t that important.

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