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BaroqueInMind@piefed.social ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

As someone who self-hosts a LLM and trains it on web data regularly to improve my model, I get where your frustration is coming from.

But engaging in discourse here where people already have a heavy bias against machine-learning language models is a fruitless effort. No one here is going to provide you catharsis with a genuine conversation that isnt rhetoric.

Just put the keyboard down and walk away.

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Rekall_Incorporated@piefed.social ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I don’t have a bias against LLMs, I use them regularly albeit either for casual things (movie recommendation) or an automation tool in work areas where I can somewhat easily validate the output or the specific task is low impact.

I am just curious, do you respect robots.txt?

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FaceDeer@fedia.io ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I think it's worthwhile to show people that views outside of their like-minded bubble exist. One of the nice things about the Fediverse over Reddit is that the upvote and downvote tallies are both shown, so we can see that opinions are not a monolith.

Also, engaging in Internet debate is never to convince the person you're actually talking to. That almost never happens. The point of debate is to present convincing arguments for the less-committed casual readers who are lurking rather than participating directly.

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- Disillusionist@piefed.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I agree with you that there can be value in “showing people that views outside of their likeminded bubble[s] exist”. And you can’t change everyone’s mind, but I think it’s a bit cynical to assume you can’t change anyone’s mind.
  
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Disillusionist@piefed.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I can’t speak for everyone, but I’m absolutely glad to have good-faith discussions about these things. People have different points of view, and I certainly don’t know everything. It’s one of the reasons I post, for discussion. It’s really unproductive to make blanket statements that try to end discussion before it starts.

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- FauxLiving@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  It’s really unproductive to make blanket statements that try to end discussion before it starts.
  
  I don’t know, it seems like their comment accurately predicted the response.
  
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  Even if you want to see yourself as some beacon of open and honest discussion, you have to admit that there are a lot of people who are toxic to anybody who mentions any position that isn’t rabidly anti-AI enough for them.
  
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  - Disillusionist@piefed.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    This is a subject that people (understandably) have strong opinions on. Debates get heated sometimes and yes, some individuals go on the attack. I never post anything with the expectation that no one is going to have bad feelings about it and everyone is just going to hold hands and sing a song.
    
    There are hard conversations that need to be had regardless. All sides of an argument need to be open enough to have it and not just retreat to their own cushy little safe zones. This is the Fediverse, FFS.
    
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