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They will stop being in contact with you. So what’s the point telling them all this ? You argument fell into a pit.

My goal is not to convince Rimu or any of the people working on PieFed to change their minds. I know they won’t. I’m not trying to win any argument here. I’m talking in a public forum, giving my opinion, so that others can have a contrasting point of view.

So why are you here ?

Because I don’t want to keep contributing to centralized platforms?

What’s the point of being here if they are “superior”.

I didn’t say they are “superior”, I said they are more useful to more people. “The point of being here” is that I want to make this place as useful and universal as the centralized platforms. But I find this line of reasoning quite strange, to be frank. Do you think that people should only be here if they are willing to conform to a certain set of values?

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Snoopy@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

My goal is not to convince Rimu or any of the people working on PieFed to change their minds. I know they won’t. I’m not trying to win any argument here. I’m talking in a public forum, giving my opinion, so that others can have a contrasting point of view

My goal as a moderator/piefed staff is to make you understand that the way you shared your arguments/opinion is not okay. It’s not about telling the truth, the truth doesn’t have to be harsh, blunt…that’s a false belief. You can be nice and share your knownledge/opinion. And i gave you several options.

I want to make this place as useful and universal as the centralized platforms. But I find this line of reasoning quite strange, to be frank. Do you think that people should only be here if they are willing to conform to a certain set of values?

Well i’m part of the Kittens : https://chatons.org
I meet people IRL and tell them about the fediverse, and show them how they work, i did 2 conferences on Piefed to newcomers last summer. I also did the wiki of Piefed.

I’m not only acting in the fediverse and the web but i’m also there IRL, where most of people use big tech. If you want to make this place useful and universal as centralized platforms, i think the best way to change people is telling them about the fediverse IRL, not here beside technical stuff or ui.

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- rglullis@communick.news ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  
  My goal as a moderator/piefed staff is to make you understand
  
  I am not talking in a piefed-owned channel and afaik you have no authority to give me “options” here. You may not like how I expressed my opinion, but that doesn’t mean that I need to agree or comply.
  
  i think the best way to change people is telling them about the fediverse IRL,
  
  You do know that I’m running a hosting provider for the Fediverse since 2019, right? I’ve done a lot more than just complained about the state of current projects. I’ve done my share of “IRL” marketing, promoted FOSS alternatives to companies, set up demo instances for prospective customers, set up free accounts for my friends, put up a Matrix room for my college buddies to show them an alternative to WhatsApp…
  
  When I talk about the shortcomings of the Fediverse and the lack of ambition of the developers, it’s because I’ve already got lots of people in here, but the overwhelming majority of them ended up going back to the proprietary platforms because there simply isn’t enough interests/interesting people. It tries so hard to reject mainstream and “normies” that it ends up feeling hostile to them. The majority of people are not interested in being lectured 24/7 by patronizing tweenies.
  
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  - Snoopy@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    
    You may not like how I expressed my opinion, but that doesn’t mean that I need to agree or comply.
    
    Well that’s part of the problem and i’m just doing my job. I don’t expect you to change that quickly. It’s not my thought alone
    
    When I talk about the shortcomings of the Fediverse and the lack of ambition of the developers, it’s because I’ve already got lots of people in here, but the overwhelming majority of them ended up going back to the proprietary platforms because there simply isn’t enough interests/interesting people. It tries so hard to reject mainstream and “normies” that it ends up feeling hostile to them. The majority of people are not interested in being lectured 24/7 by patronizing tweenies.
    
    Well i had the same experience and i’m older than twenty year old. :)
    
    My role isn’t to force them using free software or being part of the fediverse movement. I present software, show them how it works. I contact association, governement…explain them the problem, show newpapers, present solutions and it’s up to them to change their habits. We can’t change people habits except if governement decide to takes actions to protect our freedom and rights.
    
    You don’t have to take it personally. They prefer big tech, so let them use big tech.
    
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    rglullis@communick.news ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    
    They prefer big tech, so let them use big tech.
    
    It’s not about “preferring big tech”. It’s all the societal harm that big tech causes on everyone because their source of profit is not aligned with the interests of their direct customers.
    
    I don’t care about “changing habits”. I just don’t want people that I care about being exploited and manipulated like that.
    
    I will say something that I know will be grossly misunderstood, but I will try to make the case: I want to have influencers on the Fediverse, I want to see corporations setting up their instances and pushing their stupid corporate PR bullshit. I want to see phone companies selling data plans with ActivityPub accounts. I want to have the equivalent of LinkedIn lunatics, and personal coaches and all that crap that one can find on Instagram/TikTok/Facebook.
    
    You know why? Because that would mean that the Fediverse is relevant. It would mean that we have enough people here that it can not be ignored anymore.
    
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