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edible_funk@lemmy.world 3 weeks agoThis argument does not apply to anti-social ideologies such as white supremacy that are incompatible with society.
Knightfox@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Yeah it does, even mass murders are due the process of law and protections under it. We don’t drag murderous sociopaths into the public square and execute them without trials. You can’t fight for fair and equal rights while also saying other people aren’t entitled to those same rights.
edible_funk@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Refusing to allow ideologies inherently harmful to society doesn’t have anything to do with what you just said. We’re having two different conversations. Also ideologies aren’t intrinsic characteristics and thus can’t have or be denied rights, so it’s weird to make that connotation unless you just don’t understand what I’m saying.
Knightfox@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I feel like you are not understanding that the determination of which ideologies are harmful and aren’t is ultimately a matter of opinion and you only support it so long as you agree with the outcome. Iran, China, North Korea, and many other countries are examples of the other side of your argument.
I’m not saying that ideologies are intrinsic characteristics, I’m saying that people have the right to believe in what they want to believe and that belief, regardless of what it is, is an intrinsic characteristic. Some countries might not have freedom to express those beliefs but that’s literally denying rights.
edible_funk@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
It isn’t a matter of opinion though. Hateful ideologies promote anti-social behavior, in the actively harmful to social order context, not the I don’t like being around people context. They promote social discord which is objectively bad for social order and society at large. There are objective measures here. Not all viewpoints are equally valid, and the whole idea that they are is one of the less valid ones. You’re operating under some sort of legislation=ethics and morals framework that’s flawed in incredibly fundamental ways. Any ideology that violates the social contract cannot be protected by it.