Comment on China calls for Maduro’s immediate release, accuses US of breaching international law

crapwittyname@feddit.uk ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

• Rekorse@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  On the international stage at least, they are much better than the USA. I dont think any country comes close to being how awful the USA has treated the rest of the world.

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  • crapwittyname@feddit.uk ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I don’t think you can get a cigarette paper between them, morally. Tibet, Hong Kong, Uighurs, Taiwan are all things that spring to mind and that’s without having to think about it or do any research.

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    • Rekorse@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Arguments that dont require thinking or research surely are reliable.

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    • Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Taiwan springs to mind? You mean peaceful economic trading? Don’t be ridiculous, the USA yearly murders 500k people through economic sanctions alone, per latest medical research. Compare China’s attitude towards Taiwan and USA’s towards Cuba.

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• DupaCycki@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  You are perfectly free to dislike any country, including China. But to say it’s ‘no better than the USA’ is pure delusion.

  How many countries has the American Empire invaded, completely unprovoked? How many millions of civilians has it slaughtered for no apparent reason? How many elections has it influenced and how many potentially revolutionary alliances ruined?

  Sure, China isn’t perfect. Perhaps it’s far from it. But there’s absolutely no comparison to be made between it and the USA. America is currently the single major obstacle standing in the way of world peace. There are others of course, but with the current USA either gone or radically transformed, they’d be relatively minor.

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  • GhostedIC@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

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  • crapwittyname@feddit.uk ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    It’s absolutely not pure delusion. That’s absolutely hyperbole.
    There’s no definitive metric for “who is the better country”, because the number of different methods of measuring that are on a similar order of magnitude as the number of crimes committed.
    We could go back and forth all day, all week, all year, shouting ‘Tiananmen Square’ and ‘MKUltra’ at each other and prove absolutely nothing, and in the end we would just look like USA and China stans, which I’m not. In this case, China does not have any moral high ground from which to decry the US’s current imperialism, so they can fuck off. I’d be saying the same thing if a US senator complained about China’s genocide of the Uyghurs. They are no better and can fuck off with that.

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• Soleos@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Note how the response is no longer along the lines of “your record is much worse than the USA’s”

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  • crapwittyname@feddit.uk ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Yeah, I am disappointed that the USA is now no better than China, but it was always very marginal.

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    • Soleos@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I think part of growing up in western media and feeling the decline of it, part of it is certainly seeing ongoing erosion of norms and positive institutions, but a good amount of it is also from disillusionment and learning more about how things have always been, just less apparent. The perceived reality of the western world is much more compromised and complex than when you’re a kid, doesn’t mean the truly good parts aren’t good.

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      • crapwittyname@feddit.uk ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        100%. A big party of growing up and taking responsibility is recognising and unlearning the propaganda you were subjected to as a child, if that’s even possible.

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