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non_burglar@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

• ki9@lemmy.gf4.pw ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  “military-grade”

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• expyth0n@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Here’s a simple way to look at it: it’s all about persistence. If someone sneaks a backdoor onto a server or inside a container, that backdoor usually needs the environment to stay put.

  But with containers that are always changing, that persistence gets cut off. We log the bad stuff, the old container gets shut down, and a brand new one pops up. Your service keeps running smoothly for folks, but whatever the attacker put there vanishes with the old container.

  It’s not about saying hacks won’t ever happen but making it way tougher for those hacks to stick around for long :)

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  • non_burglar@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    That is not an answer.

    Here’s a simple way to look at it

    I’m not looking for a simple way to look at it. I want a technical breakdown of why rebuilding back end instances is valuable in a security context.

    • When do the rebuilds occur? Are they triggered by some event?
    • what happens to session tokens?
    • do you have frontend / backend auth? What happens to that?
    • are you rotating secrets as well? Compromised back end would imply your secrets can no longer be trusted.
    • is data encrypted in massive blobs, or can one request only blocks of data?
    • can the app tune storage requirements depending on S3 configuration?

    I’ll be blunt with you: your answers to this and others have been very surface-level and scant on technical details, which gives a strong impression that you don’t actually know how this thing works.

    You are responsible for your output. If you want chatgpt or github ai tools to help you, that’s fine, but you still need to understand how the whole thing works.

    You are making something “secure”, you need to be able to explain how that security works.

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    • expyth0n@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      nobody here asked for technical details, so I didn’t respond with technical stuff. but now that you ask, I can respond:

      1. the rebuild occurs periodically. you set the period (in seconds) in the .env. a container named orchestrator stops and rebuilds vault containers by deleting every file that is not in the database and therefore not encrypted (like payloads). for event-based triggers, I haven’t implemented specific ones yet, but I plan to.

      2. session tokens are stored encrypted in the database, so when a vault container is rebuilt, sessions remain intact thanks to postgres.

      3. same as 2: auth tokens are stored in the database and are never lost, even when the whole stack is rebuilt.

      4. yes, but not everything. since one container (the orchestrator) needs access to the host’s docker socket, I don’t mount the socket directly. instead, I use a separate container with an allowlist to prevent the orchestrator from shutting down services like postgres. this container is authenticated with a token. I do rotate this token, and it is derived from a secret_key stored in the .env, regenerated each time using argon2id with random parameters. and i also use docker network to isolate containers that doesn’t need to communicate between each other, like vault containers and the “docker socket guardian” container.

      5. every item has its own blob: one blob per file. for folders, I use a hierarchical tree in the database. each file has a parent id pointing to its folder, and files at the root have no parent id.

      6. can the app tune storage requirements depending on S3 configuration? not yet, S3 integration is a new feature, but I’ve added your idea to my personal roadmap. thanks.

      and I understand perfectly why you’re asking this. No hate at all, I like feedback like this because it helps me improve.

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      • non_burglar@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Thanks for the reply.

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• irmadlad@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I was hoping for an answer. I think OP is saying that the backends are not persistent. So each time data is written or accessed, the backend may be dynamically created or modified. Guessing in lieu of OP’s response.

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