I seem to recall hearing that there were genetic/epigenetic components that predispose some folks to those personality disorders. I'm not disagreeing with you and I don't know if the research I saw was corroborated. I just think it's an interesting idea that you're not born with NPD, but you can be more vulnerable to developing it.
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stoly@lemmy.world 3 weeks agoThose are personality disorders, not forms of neurodivergence.
Badabinski@kbin.earth 3 weeks ago
stoly@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I think that what you are noting is that narcissism can be caused by differences in brain structure, like in psychopathy, or by differences in upbringing, like in sociopathy.
sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
Wtf is neurodivergence if not a diverfence from normal personality and thinking?
stoly@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
They are different things.
Neurodivergent people process information differently but have all the correct parts to process. They may interact with the world in slightly different ways but do not have a personality DEFECT.
People who are narcissists are missing a primary component: empathy for other humans. Their minds are fundamentally different than neurotypical and neurodivergent people.
sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
Did you just make this up?
I’m going by the parts of the words: neuro meaning of the mind/brain and divergent meaning deviating from normal. I don’t see why “neurodivergent” wouldn’t include all of ADHD, autism, personality disorders, or mental illness as these are all brain differences.
stoly@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Neurodivergent includes all those categories except the disorders or illnesses. Here’s why:
Things like psychopathy are caused by structural differences in the brain that make sufferers incapable of experiencing the same set of emotions as most people. Many negative behaviors are caused by lack of inhibition or empathy for others.
People with autism and adhd process information differently and respond to the world differently as a result. In severe cases this can lead to an inability to engage but will generally result more in inappropriate engagement.
Behavioral health conditions are a mix of psychological and neurological issues that require a wide variety of interventions.
These are very different things.
vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 3 weeks ago
Yes, they are making this up.
From the point of view of a person without ADHD, an ADHD person is almost retarded. Can’t concentrate, achieve goals.
Or BAD - jumping from a depression to a psychosis, sometimes they are like a wounded deer hiding in their room, sometimes they are running around planning to blitzkrieg the planet, what is this if not a defect. (There’s one woman, I wonder if I should reach her or if I’m having my own BAD psychosis even thinking about that. She’s also not the only woman who can be affected strongly by that decision. In other words, I’m inadequate and unable to control myself and clearly see the reality behind impulses.)
Or, well, an autistic person struggling with hints and cues and aesopean language and unable to deduct reality from superficial signs, - from the point of view of those who can they are pretty much defective. (Also me.)
They are just bunching together a few of Ds as “just different” and the rest as defects. “Disorder” is not a word meaning “just different”. It does mean a defect.