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willington@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 week agoRights always exist. They come from God or Nature. Our fellow men either respect or ignore those rights. But even ignoring a right or disrespecting it doesn’t make the right just vanish.
It is not our fellows who give us rights. Nor can our fellows take them away.
richieadler@lemmy.myserv.one 5 days ago
Bullshit. Gods aren’t real and nature gives nothing.
willington@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 days ago
Rights as a concept I described correctly.
I have my interests and my dignity. I prosecute my interests. Where did I get all that from? Interests and dignity, what is that if not another way to describe rights? The fact that I will prosecute and defend those regardless of your opinion, what is that? Rights again.
When we say Nature “gives” we don’t mean it transfers something to us. It’s just a way of saying we have some qualities or properties as beings by way of simply us being what we are. In this case “gives” is not literal.
As for Gods not being real, I won’t bother arguing for God being real in the interests of time. I purposely included Nature as an alternative to God.
richieadler@lemmy.myserv.one 5 days ago
If you live in a dictatorship, those rights don’t exist. The rights are earned or agreed upon by a collective. They don’t pre-exist. In an universe without sentient beings, the notion of “rights” is nonsense.
willington@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 days ago
Any universe has at least one sentient being.
Rights aren’t circumstantial. How people are treated IS circumstantial. Rights as a concept is not about outcomes. Rights is what is rightly DUE. Rights get violated all the time. That means we tresspass on the minimums that are due. Someone is due privacy, but we spy/surveil them instead. Rights are worth defending. Without defending, rights will get violated. Whether we defend rights or not, they exist as defined. Anyone can just start defending rights at any time, and it doesn’t mean you’re building rights at that time.
It’s like counting. Whether you count or not, number 3 exists as a distinct meaning. Rights are like that. Rights exist and have meaning. You can even live a million lifetimes and not know a damn thing about rights in all that time, and this would not negate rights any more than if even every sentient being stopped counting and forgot counting, but counting concepts exist, are real, are ever available, and their use can be resumed at any time.