The pro-western proxies in Ukraine were vying to join NATO long before the Russian invasion as early as the 90s
I agree with you on many points if not every detail, hence why the US had to overthrow the democratically elected Yanukovych government theguardian.com/…/john-mccain-ukraine-protests-su… www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUCCR4jAS3Y
To think this conflict is completely insular and that geo-politics and the worlds most powerful(and implicitly anti-Russian) military alliance didn’t, doesn’t and will not play a major hand in the run-up, waging and aftermath of the war is either incredibly naïve, wilfully ignorant, delusional or the product of a propagandised mind to whom ‘vibes’ are more important that objective fact and reality
LovelyMover@lemmy.zip 6 days ago
So you’ve moved away from it simply being NATO, to now saying its a vassal moving away & politically & economically, which is exactly what I said. I didn’t say the “west” had nothing to do with it, you’re saying that.
So how about you make your mind up?
ClathrateG@hexbear.net 6 days ago
Why do you see these thing as mutually exclusive? they aren’t, NATO is an arm of the US empire. My position as been consistent throughout this conversation.
The democratically elected Ukrainian government was moving economically towards Russia, the US used its influence to coup that government and install one that was more aligned with their interest and against Russia’s
I’ll reiterate if you don’t think NATO(the world’s largest offensive military alliance that is implicitly anti-Russia) didn’t, doesn’t and will not play a major role in the run-up to, waging of and aftermath of the war is either incredibly naïve, wilfully ignorant, delusional or the product of a propagandised mind to whom ‘vibes’ are more important that objective fact and reality