Comment on Mozilla’s Betrayal of Open Source: Google’s Gemini AI is Overwriting Volunteer Work on Support Mozilla

• original_reader@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  True. Still, afaik, they haven’t done anything shady.

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  • Eldritch@piefed.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    They also haven’t written a browser. It’s an apples and oranges comparison. There are plenty of Firefox derivatives that don’t have all the bloat that Mozilla, et cetera, is putting into there. That’s not the point. The point is how controlled they are by one of their competitors, namely Google.

    There are only three main browser makers. Chrome by Google Firefox by Mozilla and WebKit/Safari now maintained by Apple but derived from Linux’s K desktop environment web engine. There are a lot of wrappers written around these, but at the end of the day, there’s still just the three.

    The one real interesting bright spot though that I’m looking forward to is servo. Originally started by Mozilla, but now completely free of them. It’s not yet in a daily driver’s state, but it’s looking to be quite interesting.

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    • sem@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Out of curiosity, how are Konqueror and Fallon relates to the big three?

      Their websites say they use KHTML or KDEWebkit (Konqueror) or QtWebEngine (falkon). Are these downstream adaptations of apple-WebKit?

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      • athairmor@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Apple’s WebKit (WebCore+JavaScriptCore) was originally a fork of KHTML/KJS. They shared at the beginning but not very well. They eventually opened up their source and made changes that were more friendly to other developers. A lot of browsers and embedded renderers use WebKit, now, besides Safari and KDE based ones.

        Google forked WebCore for Chromium. I don’t think they share a codebase, anymore. Edge, Opera and many embedded renderers use Chromium.

        Anyway, I just think it’s interesting that most every browser out there is descended from KHTML.

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      • Eldritch@piefed.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Yes, they are both WebKit, though largely irrelevant. Personally, I’m a daily KDE user. I did install falkon out of Curiosity for a short while. But neither it or konqueror are generally in any distributions base install. Including KDE neon.

        They are usable, so long as you don’t use any sort of add-ons.

        Falkon is based on Qt web. So it is also WebKit.

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  • Asetru@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Which is entirely not the point.

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• tux0r@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Some of it is.

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  • yoasif@fedia.io ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Open source is like being pregnant - you either are are you aren't. Vivaldi isn't.

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    • tux0r@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      So, neither is Linux?

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      • Morphite88@thelemmy.club ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Depends on the distro and whether you want your wireless card to work or not

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      • yoasif@fedia.io ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Wanna show me the free version of Vivaldi?

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    • MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      This is wrong.

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      • yoasif@fedia.io ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        There are many open source licenses. Being closed source isn't one of them.

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