Your original version had original series Stormtroopers, who are known to be crack shots and elites among the Empire's forces. There's a common misconception that they're bad aims, because in the first movie they were ordered to let Leia escape. They were showing tremendous marksmanship and discipline to miss all those shots while looking like they were trying to hit and allowing many of them to get killed in the process.
Your new version has a First Order trooper. The First Order is some kind of weird fever dream that never really existed and whose capabilities varied wildly from movie to movie as the different writers and directors made up contradictory shit without any plan or consistency. So who knows.
In both versions, the Starfleet security officer's famous flimsiness should be noted in the context we see it in - constantly encountering unique and/or wildly advanced threats. Little wonder so many of them died, they had no idea what they were up against.
In the original movie we see them devastate the rebels when capturing the ship. We see Obi-Wan mention that the shots on the jawa transport are too accurate for sand people so they must be Imperial. We see a lot of missed shots as they escape, but as you said and as Leia herself noted, they got away far too easily.
And then there's Rogue One/Andor that shows the true side. Andor kicked scary up a notch for even the base stormtrooper.
Yeah. And in Empire Strikes Back the Rebels got rolled over as soon as the Imperial ground forces reached their base, the whole strategy of the battle of Hoth was to delay them for as long as possible so that everything and everyone possible could be evacuated. They'd started evacuating the moment they knew they'd been spotted. Same with Bespin, the strategy was always "run the fuck away" when Imperial forces showed up.
The only real loss we saw for Stormtroopers was Endor, and that was a bit of a special case. They were up against Ewoks, on their native ground, after the Ewoks had been radicalized by their god's direct divine instruction and coordinated by an elite Rebel strike team. Doesn't matter if you're the Emperor's best troops, you're going to struggle against something like that. Endor is a hellworld and Ewoks are murder-bears.
Great additions. And the biggest Imperial vulnerability remained the same as it had always been throughout. Cassian points this out in an early episode - they're so full of themselves being the Empire that you can just walk in if you blend in. They can't imagine someone having the balls to do that. Even in late RotJ we see that, the trick to open the door to the shield control. Of course someone with a walker is going to be them, telling them to open up. Who else could it be? Arrogant to the end. Hell, Palpatine at that point, even after him devising this plan for so long and right under the Jedi, is so proud and sure of himself at the end. He has foreseen it all, and how could these rebel insects win now?
And I mean he's almost right. He's just not paying attention to minor details.
FaceDeer@fedia.io 3 weeks ago
This changes the scenario significantly, though.
Your original version had original series Stormtroopers, who are known to be crack shots and elites among the Empire's forces. There's a common misconception that they're bad aims, because in the first movie they were ordered to let Leia escape. They were showing tremendous marksmanship and discipline to miss all those shots while looking like they were trying to hit and allowing many of them to get killed in the process.
Your new version has a First Order trooper. The First Order is some kind of weird fever dream that never really existed and whose capabilities varied wildly from movie to movie as the different writers and directors made up contradictory shit without any plan or consistency. So who knows.
In both versions, the Starfleet security officer's famous flimsiness should be noted in the context we see it in - constantly encountering unique and/or wildly advanced threats. Little wonder so many of them died, they had no idea what they were up against.
Rhaedas@fedia.io 3 weeks ago
In the original movie we see them devastate the rebels when capturing the ship. We see Obi-Wan mention that the shots on the jawa transport are too accurate for sand people so they must be Imperial. We see a lot of missed shots as they escape, but as you said and as Leia herself noted, they got away far too easily.
And then there's Rogue One/Andor that shows the true side. Andor kicked scary up a notch for even the base stormtrooper.
FaceDeer@fedia.io 3 weeks ago
Yeah. And in Empire Strikes Back the Rebels got rolled over as soon as the Imperial ground forces reached their base, the whole strategy of the battle of Hoth was to delay them for as long as possible so that everything and everyone possible could be evacuated. They'd started evacuating the moment they knew they'd been spotted. Same with Bespin, the strategy was always "run the fuck away" when Imperial forces showed up.
The only real loss we saw for Stormtroopers was Endor, and that was a bit of a special case. They were up against Ewoks, on their native ground, after the Ewoks had been radicalized by their god's direct divine instruction and coordinated by an elite Rebel strike team. Doesn't matter if you're the Emperor's best troops, you're going to struggle against something like that. Endor is a hellworld and Ewoks are murder-bears.
Rhaedas@fedia.io 3 weeks ago
Great additions. And the biggest Imperial vulnerability remained the same as it had always been throughout. Cassian points this out in an early episode - they're so full of themselves being the Empire that you can just walk in if you blend in. They can't imagine someone having the balls to do that. Even in late RotJ we see that, the trick to open the door to the shield control. Of course someone with a walker is going to be them, telling them to open up. Who else could it be? Arrogant to the end. Hell, Palpatine at that point, even after him devising this plan for so long and right under the Jedi, is so proud and sure of himself at the end. He has foreseen it all, and how could these rebel insects win now?
And I mean he's almost right. He's just not paying attention to minor details.
NichEherVielleicht@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
Today I learned.